Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but
the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux. What
do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and
technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this for
you.

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 00:52:52 +0100, Davey wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux. What do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this for
you.

Had exactly the with a Kia, and of course all of these cars are running
Linux systems. With the Nissan we had before someone even found out how to
get a root shell on it.



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On 26/10/2023 00:52, Davey wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but
the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux. What
do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this for
you.

I don't know if this will help because it depends on how the map updates
are packaged but on my Toyota's they came as a zip file.

Unzip them to the root of a usb stick then plug it into the car and
turn the ignition on and it updated itself. I am fairly certain that the Toyota satnavs are based on tom-tom.

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:40:40 +0100
grinch <grinch@somewhere.net> wrote:

On 26/10/2023 00:52, Davey wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but
the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux.
What do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this
for you.

I don't know if this will help because it depends on how the map
updates are packaged but on my Toyota's they came as a zip file.

Unzip them to the root of a usb stick then plug it into the car and
turn the ignition on and it updated itself. I am fairly certain that
the Toyota satnavs are based on tom-tom.

1. I have booked in at my 'local' dealer to get the update installed.

2. I have a Windows 7 or 8 machine, which does not normally talk to the internet, it is there for some program(s) that Ubuntu cannot run. I was thinking of connecting this (imagine the updates to come!), as I would
like to find a workable solution for me to be able to use in future,
rather than relying on a booked visit to the dealer.

3. I have history with Tom-tom! When we moved into this house, we would
be in the living room and would hear the sound of a large diesel engine outside. Looking through the window would show a truck radiator grill,
with the truck trying, unsuccessfully, to negotiate an acute angled
corner right in front of my house. Each time this happened, the driver
blamed the Tom tom. I managed to open a Tom tom account, despite not
having a Tom tom device, and found a forum on the website, for
customers unhappy with Tom tom as a company. There were hundreds of
such messages. Then one day, it was closed down "due to lack of
interest" Yeah, right.

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:40:40 +0100, grinch wrote:

On 26/10/2023 00:52, Davey wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but the
BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux. What do
I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and
technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this for
you.

I don't know if this will help because it depends on how the map updates
are packaged but on my Toyota's they came as a zip file.

Unzip them to the root of a usb stick then plug it into the car and
turn the ignition on and it updated itself. I am fairly certain that the Toyota satnavs are based on tom-tom.

I did get the Kia/Hyundai updater running under WINE, that one downloads individual files that you copy over to an SD card.


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Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

1. I have booked in at my 'local' dealer to get the update installed.

2. I have a Windows 7 or 8 machine, which does not normally talk to the internet, it is there for some program(s) that Ubuntu cannot run. I was thinking of connecting this (imagine the updates to come!), as I would
like to find a workable solution for me to be able to use in future,
rather than relying on a booked visit to the dealer.

It sounds like there's some kind of app to download. I'm not sure if
that app is a tool to download the satnav data, or if it contains
everything needed. If the latter, you could download the app, copy it
to the Win7/8 machine, run it, and create an installer USB stick.

If it wants to download things in the app, maybe you could set up a
Windows virtual machine on your Linux system just for the purpose of
doing this download. It's simple to download a Windows 10 installer ISO
from the Microsoft site these days: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO

and they will install and run happily without needing licence keys
(just with a nag in the corner). Virtualbox would be my recommendation
for a simple and free VM host software.

Once you have the VM installed, boot it up, download the BMW software,
let it do its stuff. You can pass through a USB stick to the VM so it
writes it directly from Windows - on Ubuntu, add your username to the 'vboxusers' group:

sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers $USER

and logout/log back in before Virtualbox will see your USB devices.

Theo


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On 26 Oct 2023 17:18:33 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

1. I have booked in at my 'local' dealer to get the update
installed.

2. I have a Windows 7 or 8 machine, which does not normally talk to
the internet, it is there for some program(s) that Ubuntu cannot
run. I was thinking of connecting this (imagine the updates to
come!), as I would like to find a workable solution for me to be
able to use in future, rather than relying on a booked visit to the
dealer.

It sounds like there's some kind of app to download. I'm not sure if
that app is a tool to download the satnav data, or if it contains
everything needed. If the latter, you could download the app, copy it
to the Win7/8 machine, run it, and create an installer USB stick.

If it wants to download things in the app, maybe you could set up a
Windows virtual machine on your Linux system just for the purpose of
doing this download. It's simple to download a Windows 10 installer
ISO from the Microsoft site these days: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO

and they will install and run happily without needing licence keys
(just with a nag in the corner). Virtualbox would be my
recommendation for a simple and free VM host software.

Once you have the VM installed, boot it up, download the BMW software,
let it do its stuff. You can pass through a USB stick to the VM so it
writes it directly from Windows - on Ubuntu, add your username to the 'vboxusers' group:

sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers $USER

and logout/log back in before Virtualbox will see your USB devices.

Theo

Thanks. More to add to the To-Do list!

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 16:14:10 -0000 (UTC)
Mark Wane <mark@cool110.eternal-september.org> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:40:40 +0100, grinch wrote:

On 26/10/2023 00:52, Davey wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but
the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux.
What do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods
and technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this
for you.

I don't know if this will help because it depends on how the map
updates are packaged but on my Toyota's they came as a zip file.

Unzip them to the root of a usb stick then plug it into the car and
turn the ignition on and it updated itself. I am fairly certain
that the Toyota satnavs are based on tom-tom.

I did get the Kia/Hyundai updater running under WINE, that one
downloads individual files that you copy over to an SD card.

I might try that again, but my recent experiences with WINE have not
been very successful. Maybe because I'm still using Ubuntu 18.04.

Is there any point in trying the MacOS version?

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:48:14 +0100, Davey wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 16:14:10 -0000 (UTC)
Mark Wane <mark@cool110.eternal-september.org> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:40:40 +0100, grinch wrote:

On 26/10/2023 00:52, Davey wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but the
BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux.
What do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and
technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this
for you.

I don't know if this will help because it depends on how the map
updates are packaged but on my Toyota's they came as a zip file.

Unzip them to the root of a usb stick then plug it into the car and
turn the ignition on and it updated itself. I am fairly certain that
the Toyota satnavs are based on tom-tom.

I did get the Kia/Hyundai updater running under WINE, that one
downloads individual files that you copy over to an SD card.

I might try that again, but my recent experiences with WINE have not
been very successful. Maybe because I'm still using Ubuntu 18.04.

Almost certainly. Thanks to Valve making huge progress with Proton and
getting a lot of that upstreamed, WINE has gone through 5 major versions
since then. Even with that being gaming focused it's still made more
general purpose software run a lot better that it used to.

Is there any point in trying the MacOS version?

I wouldn't bother with that.


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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 19:54:55 -0000 (UTC)
Mark Wane <mark@cool110.eternal-september.org> wrote:

I might try that again, but my recent experiences with WINE have not
been very successful. Maybe because I'm still using Ubuntu 18.04.

Almost certainly. Thanks to Valve making huge progress with Proton
and getting a lot of that upstreamed, WINE has gone through 5 major
versions since then. Even with that being gaming focused it's still
made more general purpose software run a lot better that it used to.

You have lost me completely! But I get your drift. If I remember, I
stuck with 18.04 because 20.04 would not do something that 18.04 would
without complaint. I can't remember what, though.

Is there any point in trying the MacOS version?

I wouldn't bother with that.

I didn't think so, I was just wondering. I'll get the old Windows
machine fired up, and try that, that's easiest to do.

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 00:52:52 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but
the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux. What
do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and >technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this for
you.

On a similar note I was moving ISP from Zen to BTInternet some 15yrs
ago and tried to ask BT if they supported Newsgroups - "Ah yes, you
can get the news via your browser" was the response.


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Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:16:36 GMT
nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 00:52:52 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

Me: I am trying to download a map update package for my car, but
the BMW website only offers Windows or MacOS options. I use Linux.
What do I do?

BMW Support: What's Linux?

Me: Oh boy. Only one of the most used Systems for consumer goods and >technical systems in the world.

BMW: Sorry, we can't help. Go to your BMW Dealer, they can do this
for you.

On a similar note I was moving ISP from Zen to BTInternet some 15yrs
ago and tried to ask BT if they supported Newsgroups - "Ah yes, you
can get the news via your browser" was the response.

I doubt that there have been many people who moved from Zen to
BTAnything. When I was getting ready to move back here from the US, I
asked people locally who to choose as my ISP. "Anybody except BT" was
the general reply.
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 21:34:20 +0100
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 19:54:55 -0000 (UTC)
Mark Wane <mark@cool110.eternal-september.org> wrote:

I might try that again, but my recent experiences with WINE have
not been very successful. Maybe because I'm still using Ubuntu
18.04.

Almost certainly. Thanks to Valve making huge progress with Proton
and getting a lot of that upstreamed, WINE has gone through 5 major versions since then. Even with that being gaming focused it's still
made more general purpose software run a lot better that it used
to.

You have lost me completely! But I get your drift. If I remember, I
stuck with 18.04 because 20.04 would not do something that 18.04 would without complaint. I can't remember what, though.

Is there any point in trying the MacOS version?

I wouldn't bother with that.

I didn't think so, I was just wondering. I'll get the old Windows
machine fired up, and try that, that's easiest to do.

The windows machine did not want to be updated, it last talked to the
internet on 1921. First, MacAffee failed to update, it just sat there
rotating its wheel, with no effect. Then when I tried to go direct to
Windows Update, it found a list of 29 items, but when told to download
and install them, it also tried but failed, showing 0MB to download,
and 0% transferred, however long I left it.
I'm back with Linux again!

I'll wait until I go to the dealer and let them do the update, I am
just wasting my time trying to do it online.

I remembered that the reason I did not go beyond 18.04 (see above) was
that 20.04 would not recognise my scanner, which I use a fair amount. I
might try a more recent one, for a test.

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