I'm trying to help out a sysop who is using BinktermPHP as a point system off their Synchronet 3.21d system. I've also upgraded to Synchronet 3.21d and can not reproduce the issue from https://mypoint.lovelybits.org - a point system hanging off my Synchronet node.

As far as I know echomail relays okay.

But when he sends me netmail the to address is being changed to 1:1/0

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Packing NetMail (1.msg) from Errol Casey (1:153/150.1337) to awehttam (1:1/0), attr: 0001 (PRIVATE), subject: test netmail to 1:153/150 - awehttam

As far as I can tell the packet being generated from BinktermPHP is okay - and when I send to myself from mypoint the message goes through to 1:153/150 as expected.

Are there any configuration settings or maybe other gotchas that could cause this to happen? I'm largely out of ideas on this one.

Thanks

Matthew

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Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: awehttam to All on Fri Mar 13 2026 12:02 pm

I'm trying to help out a sysop who is using BinktermPHP as a point system off their Synchronet 3.21d system. I've also upgraded to Synchronet 3.21d and can not reproduce the issue from https://mypoint.lovelybits.org - a point system hanging off my Synchronet node.

As far as I know echomail relays okay.

But when he sends me netmail the to address is being changed to 1:1/0

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Packing NetMail (1.msg) from Errol Casey (1:153/150.1337) to awehttam (1:1/0), attr: 0001 (PRIVATE), subject: test netmail to 1:153/150 - awehttam

As far as I can tell the packet being generated from BinktermPHP is okay - and when I send to myself from mypoint the message goes through to 1:153/150 as expected.

Are there any configuration settings or maybe other gotchas that could cause this to happen? I'm largely out of ideas on this one.

Thanks

Matthew

I would ask the sysop in question: How did they create the netmail messages? Can they provide a log or capture of that? Can they check your sbbsecho.log file for relevant log entries?
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On March 13 2026, Digital Man wrote:

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Packing NetMail (1.msg) from Errol Casey
(1:153/150.1337) to awehttam (1:1/0), attr: 0001 (PRIVATE), subject:

test

netmail to 1:153/150 - awehttam

As far as I can tell the packet being generated from BinktermPHP is
okay -
and when I send to myself from mypoint the message goes through to
1:153/150
as expected.

I would ask the sysop in question: How did they create the netmail messages?
Can they provide a log or capture of that? Can they check your sbbsecho.log file for relevant log entries?

We have more testing to do. The log I included in my post is apparently from his hub.


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Date: 2026-03-13 23:16:38

Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: awehttam to All on Fri Mar 13 2026 12:02 pm

I'm trying to help out a sysop who is using BinktermPHP as a point system off their Synchronet 3.21d system. I've also upgraded to Synchronet 3.21d and can not reproduce the issue from https://mypoint.lovelybits.org - a point system hanging off my Synchronet node.

As far as I know echomail relays okay.

But when he sends me netmail the to address is being changed to 1:1/0

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Packing NetMail (1.msg) from Errol Casey (1:153/150.1337) to awehttam (1:1/0), attr: 0001 (PRIVATE), > > netmail to 1:153/150 - awehttam

As far as I can tell the packet being generated from BinktermPHP is okay - and when I send to myself from mypoint the message goes through to 1:153/150 as expected.

Are there any configuration settings or maybe other gotchas that could cause this to happen? I'm largely out of ideas on this one.

Thanks

Matthew

I would ask the sysop in question: How did they create the netmail messages?
Can they provide a log or capture of that? Can they check your sbbsecho.log file for relevant log entries?

Here is the information you requested. The shared logs with the 1:1/0 address were from the sysop of 1:3634/12 from to previous attempts.

The logs that are shown below was from a repeated test today following the same path as to earlier failed tests.

The hub is also running synchronet 3.18 vs the boss node my point is talking to is using synchronet 3.21d

Message packet creation by binkterm-php
[2026-03-13 20:13:09] writePacketHeader using origin address 1:3634/58.1337 for 1:3634/58
[2026-03-13 20:13:09] writePacketHeader: origZone=1 destZone=1 origNet=3634 dest
Net=3634 origNode=58 destNode=58 origPoint=1337 destPoint=0
[2026-03-13 20:13:09] [BINKD] Packet fd59e860.pkt: Writing netmail - from="Errol
Casey" <1:3634/58.1337> to="awehttam" <1:153/150>, subject="Test message - 2026 0313"
[2026-03-13 20:13:09] [BINKD] Created outbound packet fd59e860.pkt with 1 messag
e(s) destined for 1:3634/58
[2026-03-13 20:13:39] [BINKD] Processing packet 69b46f9a.pkt from 1:3634/58 to 1
:3634/58




SBBSECHO log from 1:3634/58
Shows message from pt to boss node to hub

2026-03-13 16:13:45 Errol Casey (1:3634/58.1337) 2026-03-13 16:13:45 Errol Casey (1:3634/58.1337) 2026-03-13 16:13:45 /sbbs/fido/netmail/1.msg Errol Casey (1:3634/58.1337) 2026-03-13 16:13:45 import_netmail(/sbbs/fido/netmail/1.msg) returned 6
2026-03-13 16:13:45 Packing NetMail (1.msg) from Errol Casey (1:3634/58.1337) to awehttam (1:153/150), attr: 0001 (PRIVATE), 2026-03-13 16:13:45 Routing NetMail (1.msg) to 1:3634/12
2026-03-13 16:13:45 Node (1:3634/12) successfully locked via: ../fido/outbound/0e32000c.bsy
2026-03-13 16:13:45 New password-protected packet (type 2+) created for linked-node: 1:3634/12
2026-03-13 16:13:45 Adding NetMail (1.msg) to new packet for 1:3634/12: ../fido/outbound/0e32000c.dut
2026-03-13 16:13:45 Deleting /sbbs/fido/netmail/1.msg (from line 5730) 2026-03-13 16:13:45 Touching outgoing semfile: ../data/binkout.now
2026-03-13 16:13:45 Writing 21 areas to ../data/badareas.lst
2026-03-13 16:13:45 Deleting ../fido/outbound/0e32000c.bsy (from line 3280) 2026-03-13 16:13:45 Deleting /sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.bsy (from line 3286) 2026-03-13 16:13:45 SBBSecho (PID 1294644) exiting with error level 0, Packets(35 imported, 0 sent), NetMail(0 imported, 0 exported, 1 packed)

BINKP records from/var/log/messages from boss node

Mar 13 16:13:10 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Peer version: BinktermPHP/1.8.5
Mar 13 16:13:10 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Remote addresses: 1:3634/58.1337Mar 13 16:13:10 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Inbound session for: 1:3634/58.1337Mar 13 16:13:10 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP CRAM-MD5 password match for 1:3634/58.1337Mar 13 16:13:10 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Sending file: ../fido/outbound/0e32003a.pnt/69b46f9a.pkt (2.1KB)
Mar 13 16:13:10 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Sent file: ../fido/outbound/0e32003a.pnt/69b46f9a.pkt (2.1KB)
Mar 13 16:13:11 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/fd59e860.pkt (0.6KB)
Mar 13 16:13:11 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Received file: /sbbs/temp/fd59e860.pkt (0.6KB)
Mar 13 16:13:11 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Moving '/sbbs/temp/fd59e860.pkt' to '../fido/inbound/fd59e860.pkt'.
Mar 13 16:13:11 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Deleted file: /home/sbbs/fido/outbound/0e32003a.pnt/00000539.flo
Mar 13 16:13:41 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP Deleted file: ../fido/outbound/0e32003a.pnt/69b46f9a.pkt
Mar 13 16:13:41 vmi1943160 synchronet[191708]: srvc 0344 BINKP [149.154.44.100] JavaScript service thread terminated (0 clients remain, 10 total, 3570 served)


Collected pkt file on boss node by not removing processed packets temporarily

[sbbs[sbbs13 Mar 26 16:13:09
awehttam
Errol Casey
Test message - 20260313
CHRS: UTF-8 4
TZUTC: -0400
MSGID: 1:3634/58.1337REPLYADDR 1:3634/58.1337
INTL 1:153/150 1:3634/58
FMPT 1337
FLAGS PVT
MAILER: BinktermPHP 1.8.5 Linux
Testing from my point 1:3634/58.1337
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Second confirmation of packet that is being sent to hub from boss node

$HOME/exec/pktdump fd59e860.pkt
pktdump rev 1.20 - Dump FidoNet Packets

Opening fd59e860.pkt
fd59e860.pkt Packet Type 2e (prod: 0000, rev: 0.0) from 1:3634/58 to 1:3634/58 fd59e860.pkt 00003A Packed Message Type: 2 from 3634/58 to 153/150
Attribute: 0x0001 (PRIVATE)
Date/Time: 13 Mar 26 16:13:09
To : awehttam
From : Errol Casey
Subj : Test message - 20260313

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Re: Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: Errol Casey to Digital Man on Sat Mar 14 2026 12:46 am

I didn't see any references to 1:1/0 in the sbbsecho.log output or the packet dumps you provided.

I can't quote your message because you used a "tear line" formatted quote separator.
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Re: Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: amessyroom to Digital Man on Sat Mar 14 2026 10:28 am

Second confirmation of packet that is being sent to hub from boss node

$HOME/exec/pktdump fd59e860.pkt
pktdump rev 1.20 - Dump FidoNet Packets

Opening fd59e860.pkt
fd59e860.pkt Packet Type 2e (prod: 0000, rev: 0.0) from 1:3634/58 to 1:3634/58

Why would the packet be to the same node it's frome? Somewhere's up there.
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Re: Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: Digital Man to amessyroom on Sat Mar 14 2026 04:52 pm

Opening fd59e860.pkt
fd59e860.pkt Packet Type 2e (prod: 0000, rev: 0.0) from 1:3634/58 to
1:3634/58

Why would the packet be to the same node it's frome? Somewhere's up there.

True. I'll discuss with matthew, just thought maybe since this was on the boss node that it just didn't display the point.

When I looked at the content of the packet with strings

It does have the point information, so maybe the pktdump didn't parse the point number out of the message ?

13 Mar 26 16:13:09
awehttam
Errol Casey
Test message - 20260313
CHRS: UTF-8 4
TZUTC: -0400
MSGID: 1:3634/58.1337REPLYADDR 1:3634/58.1337
INTL 1:153/150 1:3634/58
FMPT 1337
FLAGS PVT
MAILER: BinktermPHP 1.8.5 Linux
Testing from my point 1:3634/58.1337
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Re: Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: Digital Man to Errol Casey on Sat Mar 14 2026 04:52 pm

I didn't see any references to 1:1/0 in the sbbsecho.log output or the packet dumps you provided.

As I indicated in the post the 1:1/0 was in the hub's logs not mine.

I have asked the sysop if he could try and capture packets coming from my board and see if we can see the 1:1/0 in the packet, vs just the reference in the
log. Haven't heard back from him yet.

His board is running, 3.18 could there be something that 3.21 generated that 3.18 doesn't understand in the packet ?

I can't quote your message because you used a "tear line" formatted quote separator.

Can you explain what you mean 'tear line' formatted quote seperator? So I don't do it in the future , so message can be easily quoted.

Thanks.

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On March 15 2026, Amessyroom wrote:

Re: Re: Messages being relayed to 1:1/0
By: Digital Man to amessyroom on Sat Mar 14 2026 04:52 pm

Opening fd59e860.pkt
fd59e860.pkt Packet Type 2e (prod: 0000, rev: 0.0) from 1:3634/58 to
1:3634/58

Why would the packet be to the same node it's frome? Somewhere's up
there.

True. I'll discuss with matthew, just thought maybe since this was on
the boss node that it just didn't display the point.

As far as I can tell that packet is being generated by your Synchronet BBS.

When I looked at the content of the packet with strings

It does have the point information, so maybe the pktdump didn't parse
the point number out of the message ?

Strings won't show the node values - they're recorded as binary numbers.


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On 2026 Mar 14 20:51:12, you wrote to Digital Man:

I didn't see any references to 1:1/0 in the sbbsecho.log output or the
packet dumps you provided.

As I indicated in the post the 1:1/0 was in the hub's logs not mine.

ummm... that 1:1/0 entry was in the very first log block that you sent me...

----->8 begin snip 8<-----

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Packing NetMail (1.msg) from Errol Casey (1:153/150.1337) to awehttam (1:1/0), attr: 0001 (PRIVATE), subject: testing netmail to 1:153/150 - awehttam

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Routing NetMail (1.msg) to 1:3634/12

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Node (1:3634/12) successfully locked via: ../fido/outbound/0e32000c.bsy

2026-03-12 00:00:45 New password-protected packet (type 2+) created
for linked-node: 1:3634/12

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Adding NetMail (1.msg) to new packet for
1:3634/12: ../fido/outbound/0e32000c.dut

2026-03-12 00:00:45 Deleting /sbbs/fido/netmail/1.msg (from line 5730)

----->8 end snip 8<-----

I have asked the sysop if he could try and capture packets coming from
my board and see if we can see the 1:1/0 in the packet, vs just the reference in the log. Haven't heard back from him yet.

i do not have the facilities to capture pkts any more... i stopped doing that back in 2018...

His board is running, 3.18 could there be something that 3.21
generated that 3.18 doesn't understand in the packet ?

nope... Type 2 family FTN packets haven't changed their format in decades...

I can't quote your message because you used a "tear line" formatted
quote separator.

Can you explain what you mean 'tear line' formatted quote seperator? So I don't do it in the future , so message can be easily quoted.

two dashes starting in column 1 are the internet email tear line...
three dashes and a space starting in column 1 are the FTN tear line...
there's a lot of softwqre that doesn't catch tear lines properly... actually they catch more than tear lines as tear lines so IME, when i want/need to delineate a block of text, i use a line of equals signs or i use "snip" markers like seen above... the keys to the snip markers being 1) the leading spaces, 2) more than three dashes, and 3) the other text in the line... but even these steps don't help broken that sees any set of three dashes anywhere in a message as a tear line...


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