Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Outlaw on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:41 pm

You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's

AI is a tool that will vibe code you an OS. Your vibe code isn't yours. It's the AI's. SciFi has nothing to do with it.

Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code, or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write the code, but it does not belong to AI.
Some people are acting as though AI is an entity.
Nuff said.

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Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

I'm not necessarily talking about vibe coding a whole app. What I meant is, using an AI coding tool makes it easier to do what software developers have already been doing: Searching for answers & examples online for how to develop & code something and applying that to their solution. An AI development tool can come up with something you ask for and apply it directly to your code/project.

In past, I didn't use SO as much as a couple of mainframe-oriented forums. It was usually to find an example of something I wanted to try (most likely with SYNCSORT but, on rare occasions, in COBOL itself) and to get ideas on whether or not it what I wanted to try was even possible. So I was using it for examples to get ideas to code something myself.

Any time more recently I have tried to google examples for linux script or coding assistance, and wind up getting AI answers (Gemini or Claude), it wants to do it for you. Unless you realize it is broken and make a fix of your own, AI is going to create the actual working code piece that you are trying to get ideas for.

Using forums like SO, reading TFM, or doing other research for similar examples is very different than getting a working example from AI.

Autocomplete, as you mentioned previously, is closer for sure. I never had autocomplete on the mainframe, but I found it so incredibly annoying in 'code' that I disabled it. It is much more AI-ish than anything I tried to use previously.


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Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code, or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write the code, but it does not belong to AI.
Some people are acting as though AI is an entity.
Nuff said.

No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.



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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Fri Jul 10 2026 04:13 pm

The file areas of each of our BBSes still holds tons of old shareware
programs that each contain "As-Is" disclaimers (Limitation of Liability).
The only time these disclaimers don't hold up is in the case of gross
negligence, and I'm not sure "An AI wrote it" would qualify.

people can write disclaimers as much as they want. they aren't worth what they are printed on. i can write a disclaimer that says you owe me your first born If you run my program and click yes. That doesn't mean it holds any weight.

As I mentioned in my previous, rambling soliloquy--they have held up in court on multiple occasions. (emdash included there because it's A: appropriate and B: ironic. I did not write this with AI)

Limitation of Liability is a common thing in EULAs and software licenses. But feel free to go sue Microsoft because An update caused your main hard drive to disappear. (A thing that has happened to me)

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm

Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
the code, but it does not belong to AI.

No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.

No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post.
The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.


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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sat Jul 11 2026 11:54 am

Limitation of Liability is a common thing in EULAs and software licenses.
But feel free to go sue Microsoft because An update caused your main hard drive to disappear. (A thing that has happened to me)

I looked it up a little bit.

There's been multiple times big names' eulas did not hold up in court.
what you write on paper or in a program with an 'agree' button means very little when it's infront of a judge and it's open to their interpretation.

If it's unfair or wrong in some way, a judge will rule against it.



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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: phigan to Hebrix on Tue Jul 07 2026 12:40 pm

"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?

yeah.. like for maths, cause math class sucked.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Nightfox on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:46 pm

Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

what kind of newspeak is this vibe word you all keep using, i like the old meaning more, even if i dont 'vibe' to greatly.

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm

Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
the code, but it does not belong to AI.

No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even
sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe
cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details
on how this can cause trouble.

No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post. The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.

Except that the last two people you responded this way to were not making that point.

The point they were making is the same one I made above.

If you see someone making the point you are responding to... that AI is "human"... then please be sure you are replying to them. ;)


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Nightfox wrote to Hisacro <=-

Although AI tools are trained with existing data, I still wonder about ethical usage.

Just think if we had effective copyright law - all of the web 2.0
companies that monetized user content would have had to figure a way to
monetize the platform for content creators!

Similarly, AI companies seem to take pride in scraping any and all
content on the web to train their LLMS, then charge for the privelige
of accessing that data through their LLM.

They've even claimed that copyright hurts their business model!


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Nightfox wrote to Hisacro <=-

Another thing about the ethical angle: In my experience, companies want their employees to be using AI tools to increase productivity. Time is money, so if you're not using all the tools available to make you as productive as possible (thus, making the employer spend more money via your salary to get a project done), I think that could be seen as not ethical from the company's standpoint.

Then, they blow through their annual AI budget in 4 months. I'm trying
to get my company to realize they can do a ton with CoPilot chat, which
we get for free with Microsoft 365. Copilot Pro is only really useful
if you use it inside of your Office apps - and if that's not worth
$360/year in your use case, you don't need it.

For most people who want a search engine that hallucinates, free is
fine.



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Chris Dick wrote to Outlaw <=-

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Outlaw to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 20:34:48

yeah i think AI is here to stay ... unfortunately i think its just a reality that we all have to get used to .

It's going to burn down the financial markets. The markets are propped
up by the same handful of companies buying GPUs and services from each
other with crazy valuations.

SpaceX, which absorbed Musk's personal X debt and xAI's money
hemorraging operation and is now fast-tracked into the NASDDAQ 100 (in
contravention of their own rules) is now forcing its debt onto the ATFs
and retirement index funds. xAI can continue it's cash-negative
operations subsidized by those same portfolios and SpaceX's spacecraft
subsidies from the government.

Billionaires profit, ordinary people lose money, and the government
continues to finance Musk.



i mean i use it from time to

time to find answers to things quicker when i get stumped ... i dont
like admitting it but hey it is a handy tool to have in the pocket !

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Chris Dick on Sun Jul 12 2026 09:25 am

SpaceX, which absorbed Musk's personal X debt and xAI's money
hemorraging operation and is now fast-tracked into the NASDDAQ 100 (in
contravention of their own rules) is now forcing its debt onto the ATFs

Musk has been putting everything into spacex. That's how he operates.
He was homeless living in a fabricated home with grimes on spacex property.

Billionaires profit, ordinary people lose money,

you mean those people you vote for?

and the government
continues to finance Musk.

Businesses use the tax system and take advantage of everything they can. That's how they operate. they wouldn't exist if they didn't.


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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 12 2026 01:41 pm

SpaceX, which absorbed Musk's personal X debt and xAI's money hemorraging
operation and is now fast-tracked into the NASDDAQ 100 (in contravention of
their own rules) is now forcing its debt onto the ATFs

Musk has been putting everything into spacex. That's how he operates. He was homeless living in a fabricated home with grimes on spacex property.

I assume you've dumped every spare cent you have into SPCX since the IPO if you believe in it so much, right?

Billionaires profit, ordinary people lose money,

you mean those people you vote for?

Most Billionaires don't run for public office, they just buy the people who do.

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Mon Jul 13 2026 07:26 am

Musk has been putting everything into spacex. That's how he operates. He was homeless living in a fabricated home with grimes on spacex property.

I assume you've dumped every spare cent you have into SPCX since the IPO if you believe in it so much, right?

It's not that i 'believe in it'; but it works. It did save those astronaughts. Yes i have some spacex stock.

and he had dumped everything he has into every one of his endeavors. like i Said, that's how he operates.

you mean those people you vote for?

Most Billionaires don't run for public office, they just buy the people who do.

The crooked politicians may not be billionares, but they are trying to be.

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MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-

and he had dumped everything he has into every one of his endeavors.
like i Said, that's how he operates.

And by "everything", you mean debt, right? X debt rolled into xAI, xAI
debt rolled into SpaceX...


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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Jul 15 2026 07:37 am

MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-

and he had dumped everything he has into every one of his endeavors. like i Said, that's how he operates.

And by "everything", you mean debt, right? X debt rolled into xAI, xAI
debt rolled into SpaceX...

By everything i mean everything.

People like this are on a whole 'nother level. money doesn't work the same for them as it does for us. Debt and credit and all that shit.



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