• Re: ANSI art

    From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Ed Vance on Tuesday, September 02, 2025 17:30:43
    Ed,

    How can I become A Mister Know-It-All other than by associating
    with the people Who Actually KNOW the ins and outs of operating computers,sharing their successes and failures with others
    Users.

    The same applies to amateur radio or any other hobby. You can NOT
    know or do EVERYTHING in that hobby, but you can be an "Elmer" (to
    use the highest compliment a ham radio operator can receive), to the
    new folks to the hobby.

    I never got to the Mr. KIA level BUT I have learned lots and
    lots of things that makes computing life easier for me.
    Also the BBS membership allows Me to share things I've learned
    (good&bad) while using the gear here.

    There are a few bad apples with any hobby, but for the most part,
    experiences have been good...and you make many new friends.

    Thanks to You and all of the other Sysops that I used their
    Systems, I enjoy using PC's and this cellphone You Folks have
    made my life easier. So I come back, and back, and back
    againand again. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

    I'm back after a nearly 9 month BBS hiatus (although it was
    longer regarding the message networks), as "life got in the way";
    namely with my younger brother's suicide, panic attacks, and a
    nervous breakdown, that landed me in the psychiatric ward for a
    week.

    They were feeding us 2000 calories A MEAL (not a day), like WE
    were the ones being fattened up for Thanksgiving...although some
    of us feel that we're turkeys, anyway. <G> After my release, a
    fellow ham radio operator told me "You have an excuse to be sane;
    the rest of us aren't so lucky".

    73,

    Daryl, N5VLZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Ed Vance on Tuesday, September 02, 2025 17:30:43
    Ed,

    Your post had me remember that You and Daryl Stout were using
    your internet account to Transfer GT Power packets long before
    the FIDO SYSOPS begansoing that.

    It is normal operating procedure now days

    You Two were doing that to lessen your telephone bill(s).

    Like ham radio operators, BBS Sysops are frugal cheapskates. <G>

    THANKS MUCH­!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The pleasure was ours.

    73,

    Daryl, N5VLZ

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, September 02, 2025 17:30:43
    Mike,

    The Help Line was probably the first GT Power BBS I used. The
    Volunteer was my local network hub for many years.

    I found most local BBS numbers posted on the boards I called.

    When I first got into dialing up local BBS's, I found a BBS telecommunications program called "GT Power" at a local computer
    store (which has long since shut down). It came on 5.25" floppy
    disks. I recognized the software as what was being run by some
    other central Arkansas area BBS's...and after the original author,
    Paul Meiners, moved from Houston, Texas, to Phoenix, Arizona, I
    finally got in touch with him, and was able to register it.

    I ran it exclusively from 1992 to 2005 under dial-up. The only
    2 other packages I used (after the change in developers for GT)
    were Virtual Advanced and Synchronet. Of those 3, only Synchronet
    is being actively developed with features, add-ons, etc.

    Getting things set up wasn't difficult, but it was tedious.

    I still use one of the GT Power utility screens (PowerNews),
    that was done by Cory Wright of The Rising Connection (TRC),
    and I had used his DoorWorks utility to track door usage. Since
    I'm back with Synchronet, I've tried workarounds to find a door
    usage utility that I can use, but so far, none have worked.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, September 02, 2025 17:30:43
    Mike,

    I actually starting doing that with some software that another
    GT Power BBS sysop wrote... Russell Kroll, I think. He
    maintained the software that allowed a GT BBS to connect to
    Usenet/the Internet.

    I believe you're correct on that. Unfortunately, most of the BBS
    software, doorgame, and utility authors are gone.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Ogg on Tuesday, September 02, 2025 17:30:43
    I used TapCIS:

    "CompuServe's automated program to grab messages was called
    TapCIS. It allowed users to manage their email accounts and
    forum memberships more efficiently by enabling offline work and
    automating the process of sending and receiving messages."

    I used CompuServe for years. I still remember the ID number and
    password. I'm not sure if they're still around or not.

    I tried to limited dialup to about 3 times a week at most.
    Still.. my monthly bill seemed large. I don't remember my
    total average online time.

    Mine was a lot...but that was back under dial-up internet, as
    it were. I used a Radio Shack MC-10 micro color computer, with
    a 300 baud modem, and a TV set for a monitor. I downloaded quite
    a few pieces of software...including 2 for the TRS-80 Model 100
    laptop, for "the world's smallest BBS", and I ran that from
    December 1990 through April 1992.

    The two forums I remember being in were AVSIG (Aviation Special
    Interest Group), and one on Trains, where the moderator noted
    "Everything on a flanged wheel".

    Daryl

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, September 02, 2025 22:36:57
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Daryl Stout to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 02 2025 05:30 pm

    and I had used his DoorWorks utility to track door usage. Since
    I'm back with Synchronet, I've tried workarounds to find a door
    usage utility that I can use, but so far, none have worked.

    I don't know how well it works (I didn't write it), but there is this: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/doorscan

    Did you try that one?
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DARYL STOUT on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 09:28:32
    and I had used his DoorWorks utility to track door usage. Since
    I'm back with Synchronet, I've tried workarounds to find a door
    usage utility that I can use, but so far, none have worked.

    Since synchronet is being actively developed, and there are still folks
    writing utilities for it, maybe someone out there somewhere has ideas about that.

    on edit: looks like DM suggested one that is in the repository.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 13:15:18
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Daryl Stout to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 02 2025 05:30 pm

    by Cory Wright of The Rising Connection (TRC), and I had used his DoorWorks utility to track door usage. Since I'm back with Synchronet, I've tried workarounds to find a door usage utility that I can use, but so far, none have worked.

    What kind of door tracking are you looking for? A little while ago, I made something that looks at your Synchronet logs and puts together door usage stats, and I made a web page that shows the door usage stats graphically using a JS chart library.

    An example of the page on my BBS:

    http://digitaldistortionbbs.com/digdist-pages/DoorStats.xjs

    If you want to download it and set it up on your BBS, this is a link:

    http://digdist.synchro.net/files/BBS/SYNCUTIL/DoorSWeb.zip

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 16:55:21
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Daryl Stout to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 02 2025 05:30 pm

    I believe you're correct on that. Unfortunately, most of the BBS
    software, doorgame, and utility authors are gone.


    well they are still around. they have just moved on and i understand that.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 17:07:44
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: MRO to Daryl Stout on Wed Sep 03 2025 04:55 pm

    well they are still around. they have just moved on and i understand that.

    Some years ago (I think around 2012), I was able to contact Mike Jordan, who had written doors as M&S Software, and he responded, and sent me registration keys for all his doors. He was a sysop who's local to my area, too.. He ran COM-DAT BBS in Hillsboro, Oregon, which I often called in the early-mid 90s.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 18:28:54
    Rob,


    I don't know how well it works (I didn't write it), but there
    is this:
    https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/doorscan

    Did you try that one?

    I don't think I have...I'll have to get it.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 18:28:54
    Mike,

    Since synchronet is being actively developed, and there are
    still folks writing utilities for it, maybe someone out there
    somewhere has ideas about that.

    on edit: looks like DM suggested one that is in the repository.

    I saw that, and I'll go get it after I finish this mail packet,
    although dinner may need to come first. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, September 03, 2025 18:28:54
    What kind of door tracking are you looking for? A little while
    ago, I made something that looks at your Synchronet logs and
    puts together door usage stats, and I made a web page that
    shows the door usage stats graphically using a JS chart
    library.

    An example of the page on my BBS:

    http://digitaldistortionbbs.com/digdist-pages/DoorStats.xjs

    If you want to download it and set it up on your BBS, this is a
    link:

    http://digdist.synchro.net/files/BBS/SYNCUTIL/DoorSWeb.zip

    I'll take a look at that.

    I'm also trying to locate these utilities:

    1) The CAPTCHA utility by LordBlackfair

    2) The updated SynCWx utility

    3) The Solar Data Utility

    All of these are for Synchronet.

    Daryl

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Daryl Stout on Thursday, September 04, 2025 06:57:17
    Daryl Stout wrote to Ogg <=-

    I used CompuServe for years. I still remember the ID number and password. I'm not sure if they're still around or not.

    I was 75300,1375@compuserve.com, don't know why I still remember that.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Thursday, September 04, 2025 08:52:44
    Re: Re: Door usage tracking
    By: Daryl Stout to Nightfox on Wed Sep 03 2025 06:28 pm

    2) The updated SynCWx utility

    That one is from KenDB3. It looks like there's a Github page for it:

    https://github.com/KenDB3/syncWXremix

    Nightfox

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Digital Man on Thursday, September 04, 2025 09:24:11
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Tue Sep 02 2025 10:36 pm

    and I had used his DoorWorks utility to track door usage. Since
    I'm back with Synchronet, I've tried workarounds to find a door
    usage utility that I can use, but so far, none have worked.

    I don't know how well it works (I didn't write it), but there is this: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tree/master/xtrn/doorscan

    Tim uses D-DooR v4.10 * Copyright (c) 1993 * Victor Magdic over at The Fool's Quarter

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Thursday, September 04, 2025 19:02:41
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: The Lizard Master to Digital Man on Thu Sep 04 2025 09:24 am


    I don't know how well it works (I didn't write it), but there is
    this: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/tre
    e/master/xtrn/doorscan

    Tim uses D-DooR v4.10 * Copyright (c) 1993 * Victor Magdic over at
    The Fool's Quarter


    yeah that looks decent.
    https://i.imgur.com/FEgpvYm.png
    I'm not sure how much he had to struggle with it.
    i dont have it on my system and i dont see it on his website. his bbs has no files. okay now i see i have it. it's for RA.

    i can upload it to vert.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Nightfox on Thursday, September 04, 2025 10:31:00
    Some years ago (I think around 2012), I was able to contact
    Mike Jordan, who had written doors as M&S Software, and he
    responded, and sent me registration keys for all his doors. He
    was a sysop who's local to my area, too.. He ran COM-DAT BBS
    in Hillsboro, Oregon, which I often called in the early-mid
    90s.

    I remember that, and I have all of his doors (registered) online.

    I think you can set up InterBBS competitions with them.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Nightfox on Friday, September 05, 2025 14:34:16
    2) The updated SynCWx utility

    That one is from KenDB3. It looks like there's a Github page
    for it:

    https://github.com/KenDB3/syncWXremix

    I went to the github pages, and I never saw a download link.
    I'll have to look again.

    I'm also looking for that Solar-Data one (alco-solar), and
    the updated CAPTCHA one from Lord Blackfair.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, September 05, 2025 14:34:16
    I was 75300,1375@compuserve.com, don't know why I still
    remember that.

    I was 72716,2110@compuserve.com -- I don't know why I still
    remember that.

    No telling how much money I spent on that. :P

    Are they even still in existence??

    Daryl

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Saturday, September 06, 2025 23:36:23
    Re: Re: Door usage tracking
    By: Daryl Stout to Nightfox on Fri Sep 05 2025 02:34 pm

    https://github.com/KenDB3/syncWXremix

    I went to the github pages, and I never saw a download link. I'll have to look again.

    It's the green button that says "Code" with the down arrow - Click that, and a menu should appear - you should be able to download it with the "Download ZIP" option.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Nightfox on Monday, September 08, 2025 10:06:02
    It's the green button that says "Code" with the down arrow -
    Click that, and a menu should appear - you should be able to
    download it with the "Download ZIP" option.

    Yeah, I found that, but I ran into some issues.

    1) The SyncWx deal REQUIRES an API from WeatherUnderground, but
    they will ONLY make them available to folks who have home weather
    stations. So, that leaves me out in the cold (no pun intended). I
    do have an API with OpenWeather that I use with the Amateur Radio
    D-Rats setup, but that won't work with this one. I used the program
    before, and really liked it...but I could not find my former
    WUnderground API key.

    2) I did get the Solar-Data one working...it's useful for me when
    the topic turns to propagation on my ham radio traffic nets.

    3) The CAPTCHA deal I saw from Lord Blackfair looked like the
    original one, but not the one where it changed with every wrong
    attempt. I basically made a bunch of batchfiles and SRC deals
    that I compiled to BIN files, with different codes in each one,
    then set up the Task Scheduler to change the data every 5 minutes
    around the clock. The work on that wasn't hard, but it was tedious.

    4) I'm going to set up the Word Of The Day and the Bitcoin Exchange
    one later today. I was busy with other BBS and ham radio stuff
    yesterday, and I've learned the hard way NOT to work on the computer
    while one is fatigued.

    Daryl

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, September 09, 2025 08:52:44
    Daryl Stout wrote to Nightfox <=-

    1) The SyncWx deal REQUIRES an API from WeatherUnderground, but
    they will ONLY make them available to folks who have home weather stations. So, that leaves me out in the cold (no pun intended). I
    do have an API with OpenWeather that I use with the Amateur Radio
    D-Rats setup, but that won't work with this one. I used the program before, and really liked it...but I could not find my former
    WUnderground API key.

    The best weather door out there now is called "AI-WX". It's available
    from the author's BBS at: firesidebbs.com:23231 in the "Lonewolf
    Software" file area.

    It does use an API that is free to get. It is *FAR* superior to any
    weather door you've ever used before, I promise.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, September 09, 2025 10:18:16
    Re: Re: Door usage tracking
    By: Daryl Stout to Nightfox on Mon Sep 08 2025 10:06 am

    1) The SyncWx deal REQUIRES an API from WeatherUnderground, but they will ONLY make them available to folks who have home weather stations. So, that leaves me out in the cold (no pun intended). I do have an API with

    I was able to set up SyncWx and didn't need a home weather station.. Though currently when I run it, it's getting a JSON.parse error - maybe the data it's downloading is invalid. I'll have to look into that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, September 10, 2025 10:08:32
    I was able to set up SyncWx and didn't need a home weather
    station.. Though currently when I run it, it's getting a
    JSON.parse error - maybe the data it's downloading is invalid.
    I'll have to look into that.

    That is the same error I'm getting. I thought it was not having
    the JSON port opened in my router, but that's not it. I'm also
    getting similar errors with the Bitcoin data door, and the Word
    Of The Day door.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Gamgee on Wednesday, September 10, 2025 10:08:32
    The best weather door out there now is called "AI-WX". It's
    available from the author's BBS at: firesidebbs.com:23231 in
    the "Lonewolf Software" file area.

    It does use an API that is free to get. It is *FAR* superior
    to any weather door you've ever used before, I promise.

    OK, I'll take a look for that...thanks.

    Being in a combination of Tornado Alley and Dixie Alley, I need
    to keep up on the weather.

    I downloaded it, and I see it's shareware...but it'll be next
    month before I can register it.

    Daryl

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  • From Lonewolf@VERT/TELEGODZ to MRO on Thursday, September 11, 2025 16:38:37
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: MRO to Daryl Stout on Wed Sep 03 2025 04:55 pm

    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Daryl Stout to Dumas Walker on Tue Sep 02 2025 05:30 pm

    I believe you're correct on that. Unfortunately, most of the BBS software, doorgame, and utility authors are gone.


    well they are still around. they have just moved on and i understand that.

    And some of us are still around, but haven't moved on.

    Lonewolf
    AI-WX Weather Door (2025)
    RoboTape (1992) etc...

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Lonewolf on Thursday, September 11, 2025 21:59:00
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Lonewolf to MRO on Thu Sep 11 2025 04:38 pm



    well they are still around. they have just moved on and i understand that.

    And some of us are still around, but haven't moved on.

    Lonewolf AI-WX Weather Door (2025) RoboTape (1992) etc...



    good for you
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  • From multiplemiggs@VERT/BTTMLSS to Dumas Walker on Saturday, October 25, 2025 22:48:00
    On 17 Jul 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...
    What I think really killed the "golden era" of BBSing was the growing availability of the Internet, regardless of whether the users were
    running linux or Windows or ???.


    I experienced the same thing with CB radio. There was a group of probably 30 of us within range at any given time. When the internet took off that group shrank fast to a point where there were hardy any regular users 1997-98

    ... Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to multiplemiggs on Sunday, October 26, 2025 01:28:33
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: multiplemiggs to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 25 2025 10:48 pm

    On 17 Jul 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...
    What I think really killed the "golden era" of BBSing was the growing availability of the Internet, regardless of whether the users were running linux or Windows or ???.


    I experienced the same thing with CB radio. There was a group of
    probably 30 of us within range at any given time. When the internet
    took off that group shrank fast to a point where there were hardy
    any regular users 1997-98


    The internet was enticing, but also what was bad for bbses
    is how sysops operated. many sysops were close minded and not eager to adopt new things. I think the best thing to do if it was affordable was to bridge bbsing into the internet and web.

    Also sysops were always in it for themselves, and that doesn't really build strength. Combine that with cliques that formed and that divides it
    more.

    You can see cliques being bad for bbsing in the telnet age. I saw a
    msg network that was elitist fall apart dude to lack of activity and
    interest. activity and interest is from diversity. if you dont have that, you're dying a slow death. Another one now lets anybody in. that might be too little too late.

    The important thing to remember is that a bbs is a system for users to interact with. It's for socalizing, maybe gaming and maybe files.

    If you don't look at it that way, you are doomed. if you are in it for yourself, all that will be there is yourself.

    Since covid bbsing has lost even more users. I'm not sure if we will ever
    get regular callers again. I'm not sure that we offer what people want. I myself spend a lot of time with friends on telegram talking and posting vids and memes. that's more enjoyable than a bbs.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sunday, October 26, 2025 07:46:36
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: MRO to multiplemiggs on Sun Oct 26 2025 01:28 am

    What I think really killed the "golden era" of BBSing was the
    growing availability of the Internet, regardless of whether the

    By 1997 my BBS callers droped to the point that I pulled the plug on the Original Outwest BBS.

    The internet was enticing, but also what was bad for bbses
    is how sysops operated. many sysops were close minded and not eager to adopt new things. I think the best thing to do if it was affordable was to bridge bbsing into the internet and web.

    I had shut my BBS down but kept the 2nd line so I could dial into the internet.

    The important thing to remember is that a bbs is a system for users to interact with. It's for socalizing, maybe gaming and maybe files.

    The internet had all that and more.
    From 1997 to 2015 I had all but forgot about BBSes, then I googled BBS and found they still existed, Thats when I started the 2nd Outwest BBS on Synchronet, and a BBS (Razzpie BBS) that I started on a Raspberry PI and Mystic, running on a Raspberry PI 3.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Sunday, October 26, 2025 09:45:24
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Denn to MRO on Sun Oct 26 2025 07:46 am

    By 1997 my BBS callers droped to the point that I pulled the plug on the Original Outwest BBS.

    For me, it was 2000 when I decided to take my original BBS down. By then, there were so few callers (almost none) that I thought people generally weren't interested in BBSes anymore. I figured the internet was the new way people were getting online, and I could see why people would probably feel like they wouldn't really have a reason to use a BBS anymore.

    In 2007, I discovered and watched "BBS: The Documentary", and then I found that some BBSes were still around and running on the internet. I was a little surprised, given there were so few users when I took my original BBS down. I decided to start running a BBS again and have been running my current BBS since then.

    Nightfox

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  • From multiplemiggs@VERT/BTTMLSS to MRO on Sunday, October 26, 2025 22:41:00
    The internet was enticing, but also what was bad for bbses
    is how sysops operated. many sysops were close minded and not eager to adopt new things. I think the best thing to do if it was affordable
    was to bridge bbsing into the internet and web.

    Also sysops were always in it for themselves, and that doesn't really build strength. Combine that with cliques that formed and that divides it more.

    You can see cliques being bad for bbsing in the telnet age. I saw a
    msg network that was elitist fall apart dude to lack of activity and interest. activity and interest is from diversity. if you dont have
    that, you're dying a slow death. Another one now lets anybody in.
    that might be too little too late.

    The important thing to remember is that a bbs is a system for users to interact with. It's for socalizing, maybe gaming and maybe files.

    If you don't look at it that way, you are doomed. if you are in it for yourself, all that will be there is yourself.

    Since covid bbsing has lost even more users. I'm not sure if we will
    ever get regular callers again. I'm not sure that we offer what people want. I myself spend a lot of time with friends on telegram talking
    and posting vids and memes. that's more enjoyable than a bbs.
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    This is very true. Without the users it's just an empty platform.

    Well there might be an increase coming with all the age verification crap that is happening on the internet where there's new interest in BBS's and Telnet. Outside of that I guess the reality of the user base is a lot of us in our 40's - 50's reliving the BBS scene from our youth, and some young new users from the retro computing and small / decentralized web scenes.

    What changes too is when there's users using a platform out on necessity. Back when BBS's were at their peak it was in part that there was little else for the average user. The same thing can be said for CB. Back then our landline was still a partyline so using a modem was out of the question, and long distance was pricey so many of us used CB out of necessity in a lot of ways.

    ... I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to multiplemiggs on Sunday, October 26, 2025 22:23:26
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: multiplemiggs to MRO on Sun Oct 26 2025 10:41 pm

    Well there might be an increase coming with all the age
    verification crap that is happening on the internet where

    you mean with porn sites?

    i dont see people getting interested in bbses.

    it's always the people who come and go and say ohhh retro!
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, October 27, 2025 08:16:48
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: MRO to multiplemiggs on Sun Oct 26 2025 22:23:26

    Well there might be an increase coming with all the age
    verification crap that is happening on the internet where

    you mean with porn sites?

    Some countries, and now US states, appear to be looking to expand the age verification beyond what most would consider "porn sites." They want to be able to spy on what you are looking at.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Monday, October 27, 2025 14:29:49
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: MRO to multiplemiggs on Sun Oct 26 2025 10:23 pm


    Well there might be an increase coming with all the age
    verification crap that is happening on the internet where

    you mean with porn sites?


    They are pushing age verification for other things too, in a move everyone with two braincells was expecting.

    For example, the Australian government wants to enforce age verification for any social media. They consider Github social media, by the way.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 00:36:08
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Oct 27 2025 08:16 am

    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: MRO to multiplemiggs on Sun Oct 26 2025 22:23:26

    Well there might be an increase coming with all the age verification crap that is happening on the internet where

    you mean with porn sites?

    Some countries, and now US states, appear to be looking to expand
    the age verification beyond what most would consider "porn sites."
    They want to be able to spy on what you are looking at.



    like what? the age verification on porn sites seems to have fizzled too.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 01:23:39
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: Arelor to MRO on Mon Oct 27 2025 02:29 pm


    For example, the Australian government wants to enforce age
    verification for any social media. They consider Github social media,
    by the way.



    australia is fucking whacko. especially during and after covid.
    it seems like their number one priority is taking away their people's rights.

    it's only illegal if you get caught. people can use a vpn or icognito,etc
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to multiplemiggs on Tuesday, October 28, 2025 19:58:00
    Hello multiplemiggs!

    ** On Saturday 25.10.25 - 22:48, multiplemiggs wrote to Dumas Walker:

    I experienced the same thing with CB radio. There was a
    group of probably 30 of us within range at any given time.
    When the internet took off that group shrank fast to a
    point where there were hardy any regular users 1997-98

    Why would the introduction of internet affect people who are
    invested in CB radio?


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 00:38:42
    Re: ANSI art
    By: Ogg to multiplemiggs on Tue Oct 28 2025 07:58 pm

    Hello multiplemiggs!

    ** On Saturday 25.10.25 - 22:48, multiplemiggs wrote to Dumas Walker:

    I experienced the same thing with CB radio. There was a group of probably 30 of us within range at any given time. When the internet
    took off that group shrank fast to a point where there were hardy
    any regular users 1997-98

    Why would the introduction of internet affect people who are invested
    in CB radio?


    hey there's this new thing called cb simulator on compuserv. you can talk to tons of cool people instead of the neckbeard who lives in his parents shack and hasn't worked his entire life.
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to multiplemiggs on Thursday, October 30, 2025 14:34:00
    On 25 Oct 2025, multiplemiggs said the following...

    On 17 Jul 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...
    What I think really killed the "golden era" of BBSing was the growing availability of the Internet, regardless of whether the users were running linux or Windows or ???.


    I experienced the same thing with CB radio. There was a group of
    probably 30 of us within range at any given time. When the internet took off that group shrank fast to a point where there were hardy any regular users 1997-98

    yeah a lot of those people went to irc. or they went to AOL (AIM), webtv chat, or that weird "internet cb" thing, or any number of other places.. they're all just on facebook now. sad really. community is dead i guess.

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Ogg on Thursday, October 30, 2025 15:26:00
    On 28 Oct 2025, Ogg said the following...

    ** On Saturday 25.10.25 - 22:48, multiplemiggs wrote to Dumas Walker:

    I experienced the same thing with CB radio. There was a
    group of probably 30 of us within range at any given time.
    When the internet took off that group shrank fast to a
    point where there were hardy any regular users 1997-98

    Why would the introduction of internet affect people who are
    invested in CB radio?

    ever found someone in real life that used to call bbses when they were in their prime? i'd bet a lot of them wouldn't be interested in connecting to them again. because it was a means to an end. like having a car phone before there were cellulars that fit in your pocket. they just don't care about the bbs aspect of it at all, because something better replaced it. and that's specifically considering that they would have experienced bbsing "at it's best" with countless users..

    CB was just like that really. and for the most part the people i still hear on CB radio are there for the same reason we're here on BBSes now. some sort of "meta" experience where both the purpose of the BBS (communication) and the act of using a BBS are meaningful to us.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to fusion on Thursday, October 30, 2025 16:42:02
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: fusion to Ogg on Thu Oct 30 2025 03:26 pm

    ever found someone in real life that used to call bbses when they were in their prime? i'd bet a lot of them wouldn't be interested in connecting to them again. because it was a means to an end. like having a car phone before there were cellulars that fit in your pocket. they just don't care about the bbs aspect of it at all, because something better replaced it. and that's specifically considering that they would have experienced bbsing "at it's best" with countless users..

    I can understand that, and I was sort of like that myself when the internet started to become popular, and then when I saw that my BBS was barely getting any users anymore in 2000. I figured people generally stopped using BBSes because most people now had access to the internet, with so much more things easily available. In 2007, I found that BBSes were still around (and on the internet); I was surprised, but I also thought it was pretty cool that BBSes were still around. Even though the internet basically provides everything BBSes did and more, I think BBSes get a lot less of the ads & spam that we see elsewhere on the internet. BBSes also provide a simpler user interface, which can potentially translate into a simpler overall experience.

    Also, BBSes tended to have a local user community due to avoiding long-distance phone charges, though that doesn't really happen much anymore with BBSes being on the internet.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Friday, October 31, 2025 00:42:45
    Re: Re: ANSI art
    By: fusion to Ogg on Thu Oct 30 2025 03:26 pm


    ever found someone in real life that used to call bbses when they
    were in their prime? i'd bet a lot of them wouldn't be interested
    in connecting to them again. because it was a means to an end. like
    having a car phone before there were cellulars that fit in your
    pocket. they just don't care about the bbs aspect of it at all,
    because something better replaced it. and that's specifically
    considering that they would have experienced bbsing "at it's best"


    yeah i tried to get bbs people back into bbses and they are done.
    they will take a look but it's not the same as it was.

    i get that but a lot of sysops dont process it that way.
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