Hi all,Why don't you just post your questions?
Any new Sysops having configuration questions? I have some that are
not major and I am sure been asked about 100 times. If anyone does
have some questions, and would like to brainstorm, let me know!
I have been doing a lot of google, reddit, and wiki searches but find
that it sometimes leads to more questions.
:-)
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I have been doing a lot of google, reddit, and wiki searches but find
that it sometimes leads to more questions.
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Synchronet MicroBurst II BBS - 30 Years Later!
I have been doing a lot of google, reddit, and wiki searches but
find that it sometimes leads to more questions.
Why don't you just post your questions?
Probably read through a lot of the messages on here and is afraid of getting ridiculed by someone for something little and stupid..
kk4qbn wrote to nelgin <=-
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: nelgin to Xofraq on Tue Sep 17 2024 10:17:56
I have been doing a lot of google, reddit, and wiki searches but find
that it sometimes leads to more questions.
Why don't you just post your questions?
Probably read through a lot of the messages on here and is afraid of getting ridiculed by someone for something little and stupid..
Why don't you just post your questions?
Probably read through a lot of the messages on here and is afraid of getting ridiculed by someone for something little and stupid..
So try to control yourself and don't ridicule him. <BOGGLE>
Xofraq wrote to nelgin <=-
For the logon.ans screens, how/can you add @-codes to display user
name? Can you embed a pause so the screen is not skipped?
For the logon.ans screens, how/can you add @-codes to display user name? Can > you embed a pause so the screen is not skipped?
For the logon.ans screens, how/can you add @-codes to display user name? Can you embed a pause so the screen is not skipped?
kk4qbn wrote to Gamgee <=-
Why don't you just post your questions?
Probably read through a lot of the messages on here and is afraid of getting ridiculed by someone for something little and stupid..
So try to control yourself and don't ridicule him. <BOGGLE>
Why doesn't seeing a reply from you suprise me one bit..
So try to control yourself and don't ridicule him. <BOGGLE>
Why doesn't seeing a reply from you suprise me one bit..
I give up. Why?
So try to control yourself and don't ridicule him. <BOGGLE>
echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Gamgee to kk4qbn on Tue Sep 17 2024 13:30:00
So try to control yourself and don't ridicule him. <BOGGLE>
I hope that's a fucking joke. You're one of the worst offenders. Come
on, man.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Xofraq to nelgin on Tue Sep 17 2024 02:41 pm
For the logon.ans screens, how/can you add @-codes to display user name? Can you embed a pause so the screen is not skipped?
This is the wrong message area for Synchronet support questions. https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:support
That said, yes, the answer to your question is yes.
Yeah, it was meant as a joke, referencing our "ongoing relationship".
Maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought.
I hope that's a fucking joke. You're one of the worst offenders. Come on, man.
Yeah, it was meant as a joke, referencing our "ongoing relationship".
Maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought.
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid "official" support channels - and even avoid Synchronet altogether - because of the community and its reputation. I've talked to a few people and seen a few comments to that effect over the past couple of years (not that it's a new thing). I'm historically (probably sometimes currently) as guilty as anyone of
lacking patience. I get it. It's just a shame.
I'm not saying we should do tons of hand-holding or have endless tolerance. Sometimes people act like idiots, or impose too much, and probably need to be told. It's hard to know where to draw the line - I just wish it were generally
further out.
some would-be users are not as savvy as they are or don't know the terminology as well, which causes their questions to sound obvious when
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid "official"
echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Gamgee to echicken on Wed Sep 18 2024 20:14:00
Yeah, it was meant as a joke, referencing our "ongoing relationship". Maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought.
Understood; couldn't quite tell for sure.
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid "official" support channels - and even avoid Synchronet altogether - because of the community and its reputation. I've talked to a few
people and seen a few comments to that effect over the past couple of years (not that it's a new thing). I'm historically (probably sometimes currently) as guilty as anyone of lacking patience. I get it. It's just
a shame.
I'm not saying we should do tons of hand-holding or have endless tolerance. Sometimes people act like idiots, or impose too much, and probably need to be told. It's hard to know where to draw the line - I just wish it were generally further out.
Indeed. A lot of users aren't aware of the wiki. Once they find out about it, they don't know what page to look at or what words to search for. They have an idea of what they want to do, but don't know what it's called. We can help by linking to docs that answer their question, along with a brief explanation.
Some of us prefer to just poke around in the docs, view pages that seem relevant, view related pages, dick with settings and config files until we figure it out. Not everyone works this way.
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid "official" support channels - and even avoid Synchronet altogether
- because of the community and its reputation. I've talked to a few
people and seen a few comments to that effect over the past couple
of years (not that it's a new thing). I'm historically (probably
sometimes currently) as guilty as anyone of lacking patience. I get
it. It's just a shame.
I'm not saying we should do tons of hand-holding or have endless
tolerance. Sometimes people act like idiots, or impose too much,
and probably need to be told. It's hard to know where to draw the
line - I just wish it were generally further out.
Weighing my interactions with DM vs. my interactions with the
maintainer of another popular BBS software, I would say DM is a whole
lot more patient.
There are a few members of the user community who don't appreciate
that some would-be users are not as savvy as they are or don't know
the terminology as well, which causes their questions to sound
obvious when maybe they are not.
unfamiliar with. I think Synchronet's documentation is pretty good, and for new sysops (and really, anyone who is new to using a piece of software or other product), I think reading through the documentation really helps understand it and would probably answer a lot of questions people might ask at first.
unfamiliar with. I think Synchronet's documentation is pretty good, and
This is all true, but not everyone learns that way.
I tend to learn by taking on a task / project and turning to reference material as needed until I figure everything out. I never start by reading through all the docs; I won't retain much, and much of it will not be relevant to me. At most I'll skim a table of contents and check out anything that looks interesting, just so that I might vaguely remember it
questions. I have problems with people who are told where the answers are but still ask questions blatantly covered by said document, or if I ask
If I've asked for information 3 times and you're still not providing it, then you get what you deserve. :)
If I've asked for information 3 times and you're still not providing it, then you get what you deserve. :)
you decide that they "deserve" to be berated and revel in an opportunity to be an asshole to somebody (quoting you from IRC a little while ago). I'm sure to you this seems warranted. From the outside it looks petty and toxic. The only lesson you teach anybody through this is that Synchronet's community is hostile and best not engaged with.
I think you're misunderstaning what I am saying. If someone asks me for
to do it?", rather than blatently ignoring the request for information.
As for IRC, that was tongue-in-cheek, as you probably know, relating to this very thread.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Nightfox to echicken on Thu Sep 19 2024 12:46:01
unfamiliar with. I think Synchronet's documentation is pretty
good, and for new sysops (and really, anyone who is new to using
a piece of software or other product), I think reading through
the documentation really helps understand it and would probably
answer a lot of questions people might ask at first.
This is all true, but not everyone learns that way.
I tend to learn by taking on a task / project and turning to
reference material as needed until I figure everything out. I never
start by reading through all the docs; I won't retain much, and much
of it will not be relevant to me. At most I'll skim a table of
contents and check out anything that looks interesting, just so that
I might vaguely remember it later.
Some people prefer to learn everything by watching videos on YouTube.
So, I don't know. As long as someone isn't being wilfully ignorant or imposing themselves too much, it's not a big deal. If it becomes a
big deal or too much hassle, I tend to just check out of the
conversation with a reminder on where to find the info.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: echicken to Gamgee on Thu Sep 19 2024 02:11 am
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid "official"
My BBS has been on DOVEnet for about 20 years. To be honest, I never post, and rarely read the message bases any more because the signal-to-noise ratio is very low. When users are continuously rude and treat newcomers like intruders upon their private domain, then the community stagnates.
*crawls back under the rock*
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid "official" support channels - and even avoid Synchronet altogether - because of the community and its reputation. I've talked to a few people and seen a few comments to that effect over the past couple of years (not that it's a new thing). I'm historically (probably sometimes currently) as guilty as anyone of
lacking patience. I get it. It's just a shame.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Dumas Walker to ECHICKEN on Thu Sep 19 2024 09:01:00
some would-be users are not as savvy as they are or don't know the terminology as well, which causes their questions to sound obvious when
Indeed. A lot of users aren't aware of the wiki. Once they find out about it, they don't know what page to look at or what words to search for. They have an idea of what they want to do, but don't know what it's called. We can help by linking to docs that answer their question, along with a brief explanation.
some would-be users are not as savvy as they are or don't know the terminology as well, which causes their questions to sound obvious when
Indeed. A lot of users aren't aware of the wiki. Once they find out about it, they don't know what page to look at or what words to search for. They have an
idea of what they want to do, but don't know what it's called. We can help by
Some of us prefer to just poke around in the docs, view pages that seem relevant, view related pages, dick with settings and config files until we figure it out. Not everyone works this way.
Some people want more help and guidance than we want to give. So ... just don'
give it if you don't have time or energy. Nobody's under any obligation. Unles
somebody's becoming a very disruptive presence I just don't see the need for the vitriol that's spewed here so often.
And hey, I'm not perfect at this or anything else. The Millionaire (RIP?) used
up all my patience a few years back and he probably won't be the last. But I try, and I'm a lot better now than I was say 10 years ago.
I have no problem with obvious questions, I have no problem with stupid questions. I have problems with people who are told where the answers
are but still ask questions blatantly covered by said document, or if I
ask them to provide information, they don't provide it or even worse,
provide the wrong information.
If I've asked for information 3 times and you're still not providing
it, then you get what you deserve. :)
I have no problem with obvious questions, I have no problem with stupid questions. I have problems with people who are told where the answers
are but still ask questions blatantly covered by said document, or if I
ask them to provide information, they don't provide it or even worse, provide the wrong information.
you decide that they "deserve" to be berated and revel in an opportunity to be an asshole to somebody (quoting you from IRC a little while ago). I'm sure to you this seems warranted. From the outside it looks petty and toxic. The only lesson you teach anybody through this is that Synchronet's community is hostile and best not engaged with.
Look, I've been there. I've done all the things I'm speaking against now. It does way more harm than good.
I tend to learn better by watching videos rather than documentation.
furthermore, I have helped hundreds of people over the past 20 years, staying up late nights, helping them fix issues, setting up entire bbses for people, setting up fidonet or helping people set it up. And i'm the guy with the 'bad rep' and I've done all that helping. so explain that.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to all on Fri Sep 20 2024 03:50 pm
furthermore, I have helped hundreds of people over the past 20 years, staying up late nights, helping them fix issues, setting up entire bbses for people, setting up fidonet or helping people set it up. And i'm the guy with the 'bad rep' and I've done all that helping. so explain that.
I've been running my Synchronet BBS and on Dove-Net since 2007, and I'm having a hard time recalling seeing anyone post about how you stayed up late helping them or set up an entire BBS for someone, etc..
This does NOT happen. There is no reputation. There are instances where a few sour pusses say stuff like that, but it has never been true. People have NEVER been hesitant to post on dovenet and ask questions.
furthermore, I have helped hundreds of people over the past 20 years,
guy with the 'bad rep' and I've done all that helping. so explain that.
I hate the wiki. but I even hated how it was years ago with the whatsnew
anyways, i'd rather have a .doc or otherwise text file instead of a wiki,
We're not talking about your gay porn videos, we're talking about bbsing. Regardless, bbses just like your gayness, are best learned by doing.
it is just less painful to your asshole when going hands on with bbsing.
I've been around for six years and also have no memory of the MRO troll helping anyone, other than basic silly question stuff.
I've been around for six years and also have no memory of the MRO troll helping anyone, other than basic silly question stuff.
echicken wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to echicken on Fri Sep 20 2024 15:53:45
anyways, i'd rather have a .doc or otherwise text file instead of a wiki,
I have a thing that consumes the entire wiki and converts it into plain text, though there is no formatting and the articles aren't in any particular order. Anyway, it could be a starting point for
synchronet.txt.
echicken wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Sep 20 2024 19:19:00
I've been around for six years and also have no memory of the MRO troll helping anyone, other than basic silly question stuff.
In fairness to him he has helped people and done probably all of those things he mentioned. It may not happen out in the open here, but there
are people who will come along and attest to it.
Not that it makes much difference. I wouldn't want or expect anyone to
cut me any slack if I'm being an asshole, no matter what I've
contributed here.
Is that thing publicly available? I'd like to play with that if it is.
This bugged me because he had a point. There are people who avoid
"official" support channels - and even avoid Synchronet altogether -
This does NOT happen. There is no reputation.
There are instances where a few sour pusses say stuff like that, but it has never been true. People have NEVER been hesitant to post on dovenet and ask questions.
furthermore, I have helped hundreds of people over the past 20 years, staying up late nights, helping them fix issues, setting up entire bbses
There's a few bitches. who say people get ran off or they say they got ran off. they just dont want to be a sysop and like to justify it with a lie.
echicken wrote to MRO <=-
"I'm such a nice helpful guy and yet I have a bad rep. Explain that."
I can see how a search of a text file is faster if you know what you're looking for, and that if the wiki goes offline there's no docs for anyone,
The wiki is backed-up (along with most/all of my BBS config and data) nightly both to secondary storage here at Vertrauen and remotely to one of Deuce's servers.
Also, the source files for the wiki are just text files. They aren't as pretty and there isn't any hyperlinking when viewing them with a text viewer/editor, but the source is all text (as I suspect you knew).
The main purpose of the wiki (for Synchronet) is to enable multi-authorship and instant publishing.
Of course, but thats text files plural. I got the sense MRO was wishing for a single text file (like what does or used to come with Mystic) containing everything.
I was pondering what I would do to generate such a thing and
handle the formatting.
The main purpose of the wiki (for Synchronet) is to enable multi-authorship and instant publishing.
IMHO it has enough benefits that it doesn't need a main purpose. Anyone who doesn't like it at this point isn't going to be swayed by reasons. They just prefer something else.
It's probably more hassle than it's worth, but if enough people wanted a plaintext manual it might be possible to accommodate. I'm pro-wiki in case there was any doubt; this isn't something I'd make for my own use.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to all on Fri Sep 20 2024 15:50:59
This does NOT happen. There is no reputation. There are instances where a few sour pusses say stuff like that, but it has never been true. People have NEVER been hesitant to post on dovenet and ask questions.
It does, there is, and some people are. I've heard about it enough times from enough people to consider it more than just a few disgruntled souls. But whatever; I can't prove it anymore than you can prove your own point.
You can help one person and then turn around and be a dick to someone else; it's inconsistent but not exactly a paradox. Look, I don't mind you, and I'm sure plenty of people like you just fine, but it's not as if the bad rep just manifested itself out of thin air.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to echicken on Fri Sep 20 2024 15:53:45
I hate the wiki. but I even hated how it was years ago with the whatsnew
We all have our preferences. There's plenty of modern stuff I dislike but have to live with because that's the way the world went.
I can see how a search of a text file is faster if you know what you're looking for, and that if the wiki goes offline there's no docs for anyone, but beyond that I don't know what there is to complain about.
The wiki brings a lot of features that probably aren't relevant to you but are useful to others, especially those who contribute to the docs. (Which I'll admit I rarely do.)
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to nelgin on Fri Sep 20 2024 16:05:08
We're not talking about your gay porn videos, we're talking about bbsing. Regardless, bbses just like your gayness, are best learned by doing.
it is just less painful to your asshole when going hands on with bbsing.
"I'm such a nice helpful guy and yet I have a bad rep. Explain that."
echicken wrote to MRO <=-
"I'm such a nice helpful guy and yet I have a bad rep. Explain that."
What's the old saying?
"If you run into one asshole, he's the asshole. If your day is full of assholes, you're the asshole..."
Also, the source files for the wiki are just text files. They aren't as
Of course, but thats text files plural. I got the sense MRO was wishing for a single text file (like what does or used to come with Mystic) containing everything. I was pondering what I would do to generate such a thing and handle the formatting.
mysticbbs has a wiki too (https://wiki.mysticbbs.com/). It appears to have a lot of content. I haven't looked, but I wonder if that same content is copied to/from the "single text file" document. Seems like a synchronization headache to me.
a snapshot of wiki content didn't make a lot of sense - wouldn't a sysop always want to reference the latest and greatest information on a topic?
It'd be interested to see. It'd include a lot of TODO and FIXME pages! :-)
If searching is one of MRO's concerns (and reasons to have a single file), tools like grep can search multiple files. And the wiki has a search function, too..
"If you run into one asshole, he's the asshole. If your day is full of
assholes, you're the asshole..."
Shouldn't you be telling some boring story about how you used punch cards an sip coffe and eat pine nut muffins in starbucks.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to MRO <=-
"If you run into one asshole, he's the asshole. If your day is full of
assholes, you're the asshole..."
Shouldn't you be telling some boring story about how you used punch cards an sip coffe and eat pine nut muffins in starbucks.
My previous point stands.
I don't believe it. I've even proven in the past that people were using fake accounts to make these posts.
you misunderstand what i was saying. yeah i was a dick to people. and
nobody got chased away. nobody. Nobody got chased away by anybody.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on
Sat Sep 21 2024 03:35 pm
"If you run into one asshole, he's the asshole. If your day is full
of
assholes, you're the asshole..."
Shouldn't you be telling some boring story about how you used punch
cards
an sip coffe and eat pine nut muffins in starbucks.
My previous point stands.
Re: Re: New SysopsThey may SAY it, but they are probably lying. they are using it as an excuse to bow out because they do not have the time and interest to run a bbs.
By: MRO to echicken on Sat Sep 21 2024 15:30:22
I don't believe it. I've even proven in the past that people were using fake accounts to make these posts.
I'm not talking about butthurt rage posts that people went out of their
way
to make, or some sock puppet smear campaign. It's just stuff that has come up offhand in conversations, and things people have said to me privately.
you misunderstand what i was saying. yeah i was a dick to people. and
I wasn't even talking about you until you made it about yourself. You may recall my original reply was to Gamgee. It was him and Nelgin I was thinking of in particular - and not because they're so awful or I dislike them or
I've been around for six years and also have no memory of the MRO troll
helping anyone, other than basic silly question stuff.
You know, I think I added filters long ago to keep his messages from even showing up on my board.
you misunderstand what i was saying. yeah i was a dick to people. and many people were fools or dicks to me. whatever! it's online shit, who cares.
nobody got chased away. nobody. Nobody got chased away by anybody.
They may SAY it, but they are probably lying. they are using it as an
I'd like to know who and speak to them about it. I honestly don't believe
thread i can see. gamgee isnt THAT bad in regards to people who need help.
The other thing I'll give him, is that he does generate activity. For good or for bad, it's activity.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to echicken on Sun Sep 22 2024 07:18:32
They may SAY it, but they are probably lying. they are using it as an
I'd like to know who and speak to them about it. I honestly don't believe
I'm sure they'd love to be called out and hear from "one of the dicks" too. Alas I didn't keep a logbook and I'm not going to spend my time tracking down comments. What would be the point? You'd just come up with your own explanation, as above.
Right. Neither him nor Nelgin are THAT bad. They know what they're talking about, they're capable of helping and explaining things and often do. Sometimes it just gets out of hand. Rein it in a bit is all I was saying.
That is a great thing. It's what this damn hobby needs more of. I enjoy a bit of debate but like e-chicken said, with a bit of 'nice' thrown in. It
And it's fine, I mean, people will spar and poke at each other sometimes and it's not a big deal, sometimes it's fun. I was more lamenting these situations where there's a knowledge gap or a tech support session that isn't working out, and it devolves into a long thread of abuse.
I generally like the way Avon handles it over on fsx, stepping in to nudge people in the right direction when things go overboard.
okay but maybe you are just putting it together in your head that way and it's not entirely true. i can back up shit i say, you can't in this case.
rarely wrong. I'll repeat myself: these people that say they are quitting bbsing for good because of what they see on dovenet are just using it to
save face and don't want to be bbsing at all period. They would prefer to
use facebook or instagram. I'm not sure why you can't wrap your head around it, i've seen people leave bbsing for better things many times.
understand that it's not your job to help people. And it feels wrong to just ignore people that need help. If someone asks me for help I can't
other people have this good trait. It just gets draining. Right now I'm retired in bbsing. I don't keep track of shit, I don't like most of the people left in the communities and I don't like the state of everything.
I don't spend much time on it.
they're both very smart and they have seen a lot. with avon i've heard he sensors a lot and fxnet is biased.
echicken wrote to MRO <=-
I'm just asking people to be a bit slower to throw insults around and
be a little less shitty to each other.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to echicken on Sun Sep 22 2024 18:59:44
okay but maybe you are just putting it together in your head that way and it's not entirely true. i can back up shit i say, you can't in this case.
"Nah, you're lying", "Nah, they're lying", and "Trust me, I know this stuff" is just you deciding what's what. That's not actually backing anything up.
It's okay, we both have our positions and neither is going to change.
Save face in front of who, though? If you're going to bail from the hobby, just disappear. It's not we're going to be gossiping and mocking and asking
Honest question - why do you bother at all? You seem so sour about the whole thing, generally miserable and combative in your messages. What's the point?
I tend to drop stuff from my life when it's not working for me anymore and focus on people and things that make me happy. Sometimes it's hard to let go but it's always been for the best.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to echicken on Sun Sep 22 2024 21:53:59
they're both very smart and they have seen a lot. with avon i've heard he sensors a lot and fxnet is biased.
No censorship that I'm aware of. Typically he just steps in if things get too heated or political and asks people to cool it down. That's about it.
Isn't that what Jesus said?
You can't find one guy who quit a hobby because of what someone said to
I'm suprised you lack this understanding of people.
lot of synchronet and bbs people. I'm also not so sure you TRULY realize how badly you have acted in the past, especially when grouped up with fellow immature bad actors. You talking about this stuff is ironic.
posting msgs 2 mins a day has no bad effect on me. it does not detract from any focus on people or things. why do you even care?
I'm sure they'd love to be called out and hear from "one of the dicks" too. Alas I didn't keep a logbook and I'm not going to spend my time tracking down comments. What would be the point? You'd just come up with your own explanation, as above.
they're both very smart and they have seen a lot. with avon i've heard he sensors a lot and fxnet is biased.
No censorship that I'm aware of. Typically he just steps in if things get too heated or political and asks people to cool it down. That's about it.
I don't know about bias. Perhaps it's perceived by people ranting from some viewpoint and deciding it's the viewpoint and not the ranting that was the problem.
politics here" before Avon steps in and seemingly tells viewpoint B person they need to drop it even though they weren't the ones who started the
I think it is like in sports where the person who retaliates is often the one that gets called for the foul but, to others, it could come off as
People that know me and interact with me know i'm not. I'm not miserable at all. If you look up most shit you will see that i'm actually reacting to someone attacking me, as well.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: MRO to echicken on Mon Sep 23 2024 05:00:30
You can't find one guy who quit a hobby because of what someone said to
I wasn't talking about people quitting the hobby. I don't know why you're stuck on that.
posting msgs 2 mins a day has no bad effect on me. it does not detract from any focus on people or things. why do you even care?
I was just curious. I wouldn't even spend those two minutes on something completely optional that I don't enjoy, but that's me.
And it's fine, I mean, people will spar and poke at each other sometimes and it's not a big deal, sometimes it's fun. I was more lamenting these
I generally like the way Avon handles it over on fsx, stepping in to
nudge people in the right direction when things go overboard.
I don't get mad at you people, even though I do have a low opinion of a lot of synchronet and bbs people. I'm also not so sure you TRULY
echicken wrote to MRO <=-
I'm just asking people to be a bit slower to throw insults around and
be a little less shitty to each other.
Isn't that what Jesus said?
I thought that's what you were talking about? So are you saying they quit synchronet for another bbs software because of rude people in the msg bases?
So my point, directed at those giving support, was maybe tone down the abuse > bit and show a little more patience. That's all. I'm not asking for saintly
behavior, and at some point it's okay to express your frustration. It's just > two cents, and I'm nobody, so they can do with that what they will.
I checked out fxnet and not only does it have the same people and the same discussions as any other network, it's just as or even more boring.
There are people/bbses on there that I don't see in any other network echoes, just like there are some people I only see in FIDO echoes.
There are others (like me) that are on a lot of networks.
I'm just asking people to be a bit slower to throw insults around and be
a little less shitty to each other.
Isn't that what Jesus said?
I don't know how you thought of jesus out of that, as the first thing I thought of after seeing, "be a little less shitty to each other."
There's a bible passage, Proverbs 19:11, that says "Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense."
I checked out fxnet and not only does it have the same people and the same discussions as any other network, it's just as or even more boring.
There are people/bbses on there that I don't see in any other network echoes, just like there are some people I only see in FIDO echoes.
There are others (like me) that are on a lot of networks.
MRO/JAS Hud will never get any respect from me for stuff he has doneI don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is another
in the past to me and others that YES, he has run off from the hobby,
and still does to the day.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Sep 24 2024 09:12:00
There are people/bbses on there that I don't see in any other
network echoes, just like there are some people I only see in
FIDO echoes.
There are others (like me) that are on a lot of networks.
On the flip side, there's me who is on very few networks. I find that
FSX & DOVE are different enough (with topics & people) that they
aren't redundant to each other, but I probably wouldn't add many
others. The only other net I have is Fido, and I'm not sure why I
bother as I never pay attention to it.
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is another matter. He's in the global shit list and will be permanently. I considered only
My back yard is looking pretty rough now, but it's nice to know I'm taking holy shits.
Take it to the Religion sub! :-P
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:35:12 -0400
"kk4qbn" (VERT/KK4QBN) <VERT/KK4QBN!kk4qbn@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
MRO/JAS Hud will never get any respect from me for stuff he has doneI don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is another
in the past to me and others that YES, he has run off from the hobby,
and still does to the day.
matter. He's in the global shit list and will be permanently. I
considered only blocking him in my personal list but given the number
of people who have total disdain for him, I made the decision that it
would be better for the community as a whole to just stop him ever
getting to my BBS.
From what I've heard, time and again he's proven my decision right.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: nelgin to All on Tue Sep 24 2024 02:24 pm
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is
another matter. He's in the global shit list and will be
permanently. I considered only
MRO and Jas Hud are the same person.
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: nelgin to All on Tue Sep 24 2024 14:24:41
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:35:12 -0400
"kk4qbn" (VERT/KK4QBN) <VERT/KK4QBN!kk4qbn@endofthelinebbs.com>
wrote:
MRO/JAS Hud will never get any respect from me for stuff he hasI don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is another
done in the past to me and others that YES, he has run off from
the hobby, and still does to the day.
matter. He's in the global shit list and will be permanently. I
considered only blocking him in my personal list but given the
number of people who have total disdain for him, I made the
decision that it would be better for the community as a whole to
just stop him ever getting to my BBS.
From what I've heard, time and again he's proven my decision
right.
He is the same guy..
So my point, directed at those giving support, was maybe tone down the abuse a bit and show a little more patience. That's all. I'm not asking for saintly behavior, and at some point it's okay to express your frustration. It's just my two cents, and I'm nobody, so they can do with that what they will.
Deuteronomy 23:12-13 "You shall have a designated area outside the camp
to which you shall go. As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement."
JustaXnet, STN, familynet, and the like. Those that are left and
usually filled with test posts. I try to start a conversation from time
to time but they usually just fizzle out. Maybe in less than 5 years I
can see fido and fsxnet being the only FTN networks left.
Firstly, thanks to echicken for his support of Synchronet, and the doors
so ago and was told to hit their irc channel for help. Never again unless you enjoy being ridiculed. Don't remember who was there but 'there was no help'
Rob will hate me for saying this but he is the one to discuss problems with. To the point, but you will get an answer. :-)
It's a damn good thing you don't live in one of those darned T.O. condominimums.
There aren't any musicians on bbs's
I got the ridiculous idea a couple years ago to start a new net called Bluesnet. The idea was to cover nusician type conversations and related subjects. Not which album you once had, but playing in public, advertising, equipment, and the like. I still have it and there are a few on there but not what I thought there would be. There aren't any musicians on bbs's (except maybe Rob). I admin a couple music related groups on Facebook with thousands of followers. That's where the musicians are. <shrug> :-)
Anyway...Bluesnet does sound a bit niche. There are musicians here, I play some drums, keyboards, guitar, and I have a recorder somewhere :) but blues isn't in my wheelhouse.
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 21:35:12 -0400
"kk4qbn" (VERT/KK4QBN) <VERT/KK4QBN!kk4qbn@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
MRO/JAS Hud will never get any respect from me for stuff he has done
in the past to me and others that YES, he has run off from the hobby,
and still does to the day.
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is another
matter. He's in the global shit list and will be permanently. I
considered only blocking him in my personal list but given the number
of people who have total disdain for him, I made the decision that it
would be better for the community as a whole to just stop him ever
getting to my BBS.
getting to my BBS.
From what I've heard, time and again he's proven my decision right.
Re: New Sysops
By: Digital Man to echicken on Tue Sep 24 2024 13:17:48
Take it to the Religion sub! :-P
No way, those guys are mean over there. They almost made me quit BBSing.
echicken
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 13:04:55 -0700
"Nightfox" (VERT/DIGDIST) <VERT/DIGDIST!Nightfox@endofthelinebbs.com>
wrote:
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: nelgin to All on Tue Sep 24 2024 02:24 pm
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is
another matter. He's in the global shit list and will be
permanently. I considered only
MRO and Jas Hud are the same person.
So I was informed earlier. I had no idea, tbh, which really shows how
much I take notice of what goes on here :)
I have Synchronet running here as a mess conf hub for some feeds. All ports are disconnected except binkp. I had a little issue back a year or so ago and was told to hit their irc channel for help. Never again unless you enjoy being ridiculed. Don't remember who was there but 'there was no help'
I got the ridiculous idea a couple years ago to start a new net called Bluesnet. The idea was to cover nusician type conversations and related subjects. Not which album you once had, but playing in public, advertising, equipment, and the like. I still have it and there are a few on there but not what I thought there would be. There aren't any musicians on bbs's (except maybe Rob). I admin a couple music related groups on Facebook with thousands of followers. That's where the musicians are. <shrug> :-)
Re: Re: New Sysops
By: Mickey to nelgin on Tue Sep 24 2024 07:52 pm
There aren't any musicians on bbs's
I beg your pardon!
https://soundcloud.com/byteshift :)
o
(O)
BeLLy
I got the ridiculous idea a couple years ago to start a new net called Bluesnet. The idea was to cover nusician type conversations and related subjects. Not which album you once had, but playing in public, advertising, equipment, and the like. I still have it and there are a few
on bbs's (except maybe Rob). I admin a couple music related groups on Facebook with thousands of followers. That's where the musicians are.
which was music based, I believe. I suggested they not bother because we really didn't need YADN (Yet Another Dead Network). True to form, I was labeled an asshole for daring to stifle the air of out a sysop who wanted to waste his time on a dead network. Heck, we already have a dead music
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Jas Hud. MRO is
another matter. He's in the global shit list and will be
permanently. I considered only
MRO and Jas Hud are the same person.
So I was informed earlier. I had no idea, tbh, which really shows how
much I take notice of what goes on here :)
glad you guys are keeping up your info on me. continue talking!
makes my dick hard.
There aren't any musicians on bbs's
I beg your pardon!
https://soundcloud.com/byteshift :)
o
(O)
BeLLy
i thought i made you quit bbsing and you were going back under your rock?
Take it to the Religion sub! :-P
No way, those guys are mean over there. They almost made me quit BBSing.
but blues isn't in my wheelhouse.
Me neither.
I think adding more messages/value to a (new or pre-existing) musicians conference on an existing network might be better than a whole network for that one partiular subset of BBSers. Fewer networks with more (good, diverse) content is better for BBSing, I think.
Kind of depends on how you said it, but on the whole I agree it isn't
By: MRO to echicken on Mon Sep 23 2024 05:00:30
I know how much of a jerk I was. I reflect on it sometimes and it informs the way I approach a lot of things now. I'm sure I still slip on occasion, but people change. There's no irony in that, just time and experience.
A lecture on my *past* behavior from a guy who just told me to kill myself and invoked homosexuality as an implied insult? I don't know if that's irony, but it's something.
I beg your pardon!
https://soundcloud.com/byteshift :)
Facebook with thousands of followers. That's where the musicians are.
I thought they were all on that MyFace internet web-site.
I got the ridiculous idea a couple years ago to start a new net called Bluesnet. The idea was to cover nusician type conversations and related subjects. Not which album you once had, but playing in public, advertising, equipment, and the like. I still have it and there are a few on there but not what I thought there would be. There aren't any musicians on bbs's (except maybe Rob). I admin a couple music related groups on Facebook with thousands of followers. That's where the musicians are. <shrug> :-)
On 24 Sep 2024, Belly exclaimed the following...
I beg your pardon!
https://soundcloud.com/byteshift :)
sorry :-)
BTW... very interesting stuff
BTW... very interesting stuff
Agreed! That's real musicianship there.
Now Tim Smith aka mr proper aka KK4QN is certainly someone i wish i ran
out of bbsing. and this is a guy who literally said he respected me until i > pointed out he was a drug addict ripping off other sysops for money and
hardware he would sell.
I wish I was more of a musician than I am currently. I was a decent
guitar player many years ago in high school. After high school life & family got in the way & I quit playing. Since the start of lockdowns
I've been trying to pick guitar back up again & add other instruments,
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