• Trump Harris debate

    From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Matthew Munson on Sunday, September 29, 2024 05:28:00
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to halian on Sunday, September 29, 2024 08:18:20
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: halian to KnightMare on Sun Sep 29 2024 05:19 am

    In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It DW>> sound like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind


    All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
    I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
    gave a shit.

    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

    Not a soul brave enough to put their name on any of these accusations. That's because they are false. Just another anonymously sourced story meant to tear down a Commander-in-Chief who loves our military and has delivered on the promises he's made. What a disgrace!
    There are several people that were there and dispute this.
    isn't it funny the accusers were never Trumpers.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to halian on Sunday, September 29, 2024 08:22:33
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: halian to Dumas Walker on Sun Sep 29 2024 05:20 am

    they do have programs and housing for homeless vets.
    when i lived in milwaukee there were several places.

    they also had a dorm where you could live if you were low income.

    In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked
    out in favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the
    facilities can get more money from the government for taking in
    immigrants vs. assisting the other groups.

    "Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

    What? you don't have Google?
    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the work for me".

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to halian on Sunday, September 29, 2024 08:43:00
    halian wrote to KnightMare <=-

    In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It sound like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind it that ar receiving FEMA money for relocating them. Now, did Kamala brag about getting Temporary Protective Status for these Haitian immigrants? Yes FEMA handing out the money as a part of their administration? Yes.

    All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
    I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
    gave a shit.

    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

    When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that
    about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and
    which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Sunday, September 29, 2024 12:43:01
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

    "Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

    What? you don't have Google?
    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the work for me".

    That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sunday, September 29, 2024 14:32:47
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Sun Sep 29 2024 12:43 pm

    "Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

    What? you don't have Google?
    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you
    do the work for me".

    That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

    But.... If someone dosen't believe what was said they can and should look it up.
    I never automatically believe anyone, If I have a problem with what is said I will fact check it.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HALIAN on Monday, September 30, 2024 09:29:00
    In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked out in favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the facilities can get more money from the government for taking in immigrants vs. assisting the other groups.

    "Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

    That is why I used "supposedly." The citations I have seen for it are not
    from what I would call typically reliable sources... they are sometimes
    right and sometimes not.

    In a specific case of it happening in New York, the NY Post claimed it was true, while Military Times claims it is false. I would tend to believe the latter.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HALIAN on Monday, September 30, 2024 10:26:00
    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers >buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to >France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

    Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation that
    you might want to check out.

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/

    "In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify the claim.

    So, in short, you are basing your claims on a story that relied on
    anonymous, second-hand reports and no documented proof.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Monday, September 30, 2024 18:37:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to HALIAN <=-

    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers
    buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to
    France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

    Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation
    that you might want to check out.

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers- losers/

    "In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied
    on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was
    no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the
    in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify
    the claim.

    So, in short, you are basing your claims on a story that relied on anonymous, second-hand reports and no documented proof.

    No surprise there. Standard procedure for liberal koolaid-slurpers.

    The funny part is how they try to act as if the other side are the only
    ones doing that.



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Monday, September 30, 2024 19:06:00
    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. sol >buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a vis >France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

    Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation that you might want to check out.

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-lo

    Its so stupid that we're still talking about [ALL of these BS Trump misquotes] this.

    Not attacking you, Dumas - but the other side would attack us, blast us on the main media news for weeks at a time and make sure the world knew.

    We're still talking about a quote that if people would have listened to the 30sec prior they couldn't have said anything about it... they still would, but any sane person wouldn't.

    It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't want Trump over any reality.



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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Denn on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 06:18:00
    because they are false.

    [citation needed]

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Denn on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 06:18:00
    What? you don't have Google?
    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the for me".

    You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Gamgee on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 06:20:00
    When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.

    Don't mistake my criticism of Trump for fandom of Harris; I merely believe the latter is the less horrible viable option. I'm of the belief that a switch as far away as possible from our current first-past-the-post voting system has been sorely needed for years. Then we can start on the more important task of actually turning this country left.

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to Gamgee on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 06:22:00
    liberal

    lol. lmao

    koolaid-slurpers

    lol. lmao

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  • From halian@VERT/ABINARY to paulie420 on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 06:23:00
    It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't want T over any reality.

    Trump is a reality fundamentally incompatible with truth.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to halian on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 08:24:22
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: halian to Denn on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:18 am

    because they are false.

    [citation needed]

    GOOGLE it.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to halian on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 08:27:37
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: halian to Denn on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:18 am

    What? you don't have Google?
    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you
    do the for me".

    You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

    You can Google it.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to halian on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 11:35:10
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: halian to KnightMare on Sun Sep 29 2024 05:19 am

    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who

    Citation, please.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Denn on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 11:39:10
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the work for me".

    No - it means you made the claim, now back it up.

    Don't talk about something you have no proof of. i'm not doing your
    dirty work.

    It's you (the claimnant) who is lazy.

    Yhe onus is on you.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to KnightMare on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 10:55:47
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

    No - it means you made the claim, now back it up.

    Don't talk about something you have no proof of. i'm not doing your
    dirty work.

    It's you (the claimnant) who is lazy.

    Yhe onus is on you.

    No, people need to do their own fact checking, I do. Most people that post never provide proof.
    And when you provide a link, they either won't follow it or they say they don't trust the source.
    They have all the same resources at their fingertips that I have.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to KnightMare on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 11:16:27
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

    No - it means you made the claim, now back it up.

    Don't talk about something you have no proof of. i'm not doing your
    dirty work.

    It's you (the claimnant) who is lazy.

    Yhe onus is on you.

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    No need for citation anyway, Dumas Walker and paulie420 already provided sources.
    It's funny that the accusers are anonymous, yet the defenders saying it wasn't true and were there gave their names.
    "Zach Fuentes, a former White House aide who left the administration in early 2019 and was with the president on the Paris trip and presumably near him during the in-question conversations about the cemetery visit, stood up for Trump in an interview with Breitbart.".

    "Referring to Gen. John Kelly, who was with Trump during the trip as his chief of staff, he said, "I did not hear POTUS call anyone losers when I told him about the weather. Honestly, do you think General Kelly would have stood by and let ANYONE call fallen Marines losers?".

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to halian on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 13:11:37
    Re: Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: halian to paulie420 on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:23 am

    It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't
    want T over any reality.

    Trump is a reality fundamentally incompatible with truth.


    Don't take this the wrong way...

    You're either a troll, or you're just really a member of the Sheeple Coalition and I'm talking about part of the leadership members...

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 09:45:00
    Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. sol >DW> >buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a vis >DW> >France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

    Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation that you might want to check out.

    Its so stupid that we're still talking about [ALL of these BS Trump misquotes]
    this.

    Not attacking you, Dumas

    As I agree I did not take it as such. ;)

    - but the other side would attack us, blast us on the
    main media news for weeks at a time and make sure the world knew.

    Trump is not always perfect in what he says for sure but it would be nice
    if the press didn't misquote, or fail to fully quote, our Presidents and Presidential candidates. Let us hear/read all they said and then let us
    decide if we like it or not. Instead the press try to lead us to a decision they want.

    Some of the same things are happening with Harris. The other day FOX News posted something to YT that was about another "Harris word salad." It was pretty obviously heavily edited and, despite that (and despite the fact
    that I didn't agree with her!), her words were not nonsense as FOX News
    would want us to believe.

    It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't want Trump >over any reality.

    There are sure some members of the press, and a lot of voters, who aren't
    so much leaning towards Harris (and Biden before her) as they are away from Trump.


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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to halian on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 19:48:00
    It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't w over any reality.

    Trump is a reality fundamentally incompatible with truth.

    Harris is a reality overtaken by lies - smoke and mirrors.



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, October 01, 2024 20:11:00
    Trump is not always perfect in what he says for sure but it would be nice if the press didn't misquote, or fail to fully quote, our Presidents and Presidential candidates. Let us hear/read all they said and then let us decide if we like it or not. Instead the press try to lead us to a decision they want.

    Some of the same things are happening with Harris. The other day FOX
    News posted something to YT that was about another "Harris word salad." It was pretty obviously heavily edited and, despite that (and despite
    the fact that I didn't agree with her!), her words were not nonsense as FOX News would want us to believe.

    Both Fox and CNN are bullshit. We don't have a Walter Cronkite (The most trusted man in America) anymore; a 'politcally neutral reporter'.. until 1968 when he made his views on the Vietnam War known, he was a stallward in reporting... - nor do we have a Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley or even Eric Sevareid. Only until their latter years did these reporters show their affiliations - these are reporters that we would all benefit from today in 2024; but it won't happen.

    There are sure some members of the press, and a lot of voters, who aren't so much leaning towards Harris (and Biden before her) as they are away from Trump.

    I hope we all vote, Dumas - I'm certainly going to.
    (I'm in Oregon - so.. please, YOU VOTE. :P)



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Wednesday, October 02, 2024 08:19:00
    We don't have a Walter Cronkite (The most
    trusted man in America) anymore; a 'politcally neutral reporter'.. until 1968 when he made his views on the Vietnam War known, he was a stallward in reporting... - nor do we have a Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley or even Eric Sevareid. Only until their latter years did these reporters show their affiliations - these are reporters that we would all benefit from today in 2024; but it won't happen.

    I have to give Cronkite a pass for making his views on Vietnam known. Even with that, there is a difference between making your own views known and
    trying to distort things to make your view the views of others.

    You are correct, there are very few *if any* reporters left like those.

    There are sure some members of the press, and a lot of voters, who aren't
    so much leaning towards Harris (and Biden before her) as they are away from Trump.

    I hope we all vote, Dumas - I'm certainly going to.
    (I'm in Oregon - so.. please, YOU VOTE. :P)

    LOL, I plan to. I am in Kentucky which should likely go red.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HALIAN on Wednesday, October 02, 2024 08:55:00
    What? you don't have Google?
    Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the
    for me".

    You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

    Actually, I made the claim originally. When asked, I gave two sources that contradicted each other (NY Post, Military Times) and suggested I am apt to believe the latter even though it contridicted my initial post.

    I also posted a link from Snopes that disproved a claim you made later on in this thread about Trump using derogatory terms to refer to dead service members.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Thursday, October 03, 2024 19:10:10
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Sun Sep 29 2024 12:43 pm

    That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

    Nightfox

    That is because I have discovered reposting the same information once and again and again becomes tedious after a while. I am not talking specifically about this discussion, but geeze, there are some subjects that are both common knowledge and docummented, and when you bring them up somebody asks for a source.

    They don't ask for a source because they are curious, mind you; they ask for a source as a way to declare "haha, you said something without a source, now suck my cock!" So when you bother to provide a source, it does not matter because by the time you post it they have already moved on. They never cared.

    A week later a different person does the same thing regarding the same topic. Multiply it three more times and then it becomes obvious asking for certain sources of information is a dishonest practice and nobody should be playing ball.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thursday, October 03, 2024 19:42:38
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Oct 03 2024 07:10 pm

    That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a
    link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

    That is because I have discovered reposting the same information once and again and again becomes tedious after a while.

    I wasn't talking about you; I had written this in reply to someone else.

    I am not talking
    specifically about this discussion, but geeze, there are some subjects that are both common knowledge and docummented, and when you bring them up somebody asks for a source.

    I'm not talking about things that are common knowlege. I've often seen people post things regarding information that isn't well known, and then offer nothing to back it up, which is why people ask for a source.

    Or, alternately, people mention something as an argument to something else, but the information seems dubious, yet they don't provide a source.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Friday, October 04, 2024 08:00:58
    Re: Trump Harris debate
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Thu Oct 03 2024 07:42 pm

    I'm not talking about things that are common knowlege. I've often seen people post things regarding information that isn't well known, and then offer nothing to back it up, which is why people ask for a source.

    Or, alternately, people mention something as an argument to something else, but the information seems dubious, yet they don't provide a source.

    That's what "Fact checking" is about.
    If someone dosen't believe something I said then they should fact check me.
    When you provide sources they ignore it 9 out of 10 times anyway, or they say the sources are wrong or inaccurate, many times sources these days are inaccurate, thats why when I fact check I use multiple sources left and right leaning.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Friday, October 04, 2024 10:19:00
    That is because I have discovered reposting the same information once and agai
    and again becomes tedious after a while. I am not talking specifically about this discussion, but geeze, there are some subjects that are both common knowledge and docummented, and when you bring them up somebody asks for a source.
    [...]
    A week later a different person does the same thing regarding the same topic. Multiply it three more times and then it becomes obvious asking for certain sources of information is a dishonest practice and nobody should be playing ball.

    I moderate an echo on another network. I have gotten tired of providing
    the links and quotes from said links to persons who will either (1) always ignore the information provided, or (2) will read the information and
    change their tune, only to show up a couple of weeks later (after their "leader" has brought the fake info up again as real) acting as if no one
    has ever shown them any proof otherwise.

    Group 2 may be worse than Group 1 because Group 2 people usually wait just
    long enough for me to have lost the links and I have to look them up all over again.


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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to HALIAN on Sunday, October 13, 2024 13:50:00
    Myself, I think that's far too old. (For context, I thought there was one federal retirement age, but no, the federal employee benefit plan makes it much more complicated than that. The oldest immediate retirement age under that plan is 62 with five years of service.)

    Yes most public sector plans require 5 years to vest, i still need 2
    years 11 months to get like 350 a month for life when I turn 60.

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to GAMGEE on Saturday, November 02, 2024 18:10:00
    When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and
    which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.
    many of these accusations are cherry picked to defame trump such as the
    dead solider from texas where the sister of the one died said the
    atlantic magazine writer lied big time.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Matthew Munson on Sunday, November 03, 2024 20:19:52
    Matthew Munson wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and
    which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.

    many of these accusations are cherry picked to defame trump such as the dead solider from texas where the sister of the one died said the
    atlantic magazine writer lied big time.

    I believe that was my point, wasn't it?

    Also, you snipped most of the context from a months-old post, so it's difficult to remember what is even being talked about here.



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