I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.
Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know


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Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64


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Hello faeychild!

10 Jun 25 03:53, faeychild wrote to all:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.
Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know

Yes it can easily - avoid it as it can remove packages you need.




Vincent



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On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 12:53:11 +1000, faeychild wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.
Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know

Orphan removal can indeed remove things critically needed
by others things.

If you have the disk space, remove orphans only if you know
what is in them and that nothing is needed by other software.
MNSHO.



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faeychild wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up. Stupidly I
still don't have a backup... I know I know

One thing I liked from the beginning when I started using Linux was
the possibility of using a separate partition for the home. So when I
mess up, I just install it again. I only back up personal stuff.


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Abraços

Gilberto F da Silva
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:53:11 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.
Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know

As root run "urpme --test --auto-orphans >/root/orphan.list.txt 2>&1".

Whether you reply yes or no to end the command doesn't matter as the --test option will stop
it from doing anything.

Open the list in a text editor. If the list includes any packages that do not start with lib or it
includes libreoffice, then review those packages and manually copy/paste the each one you
want to keep into a urpmi command.

So if the list includes libreoffice, run "urpmi libreoffice". Since the package is already installed,
all it will do is mark the package as having been manually installed, which means it will never
be included in the orphans list again.

After that run the urpme --test command again to update the orphan.list.txt file. When you
are sure all of the orphans are lib packages or packages you no longer need, then you
can run "urpme --auto-orphans" without the --test option and reply yes when asked if you
are sure.

Alternatively, if have lots of space available in the file system containing /usr, ignore the
orphans list.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 13:19:02 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
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One thing I liked from the beginning when I started using Linux was
the possibility of using a separate partition for the home. So when I
mess up, I just install it again. I only back up personal stuff.

I also backup /var, /usr/local, /root, and /etc. During a restore I copy files or values from the
backup only as I find I need them.

Saved me a lot of work when I had to switch from my now dead desktop system to my current
laptop system.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 11/6/25 03:19, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:

One thing I liked from the beginning when I started using Linux was
the possibility of using a separate partition for the home. So when I
mess up, I just install it again. I only back up personal stuff.

Make a note of that. When I install Mag 10..
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Running kde on 6.6.93-desktop-1.mga9 kernel.
Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

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On 10/6/25 12:53, faeychild wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.
Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know

Thank you Folks
I'm glad I baulked

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Mageia release 9 (Official) for x86_64

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On 11/06/2025 3:19 am, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:

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faeychild wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up. Stupidly I
still don't have a backup... I know I know

One thing I liked from the beginning when I started using Linux was
the possibility of using a separate partition for the home. So when I
mess up, I just install it again. I only back up personal stuff.

I like this set-up soooo much that, when setting up Win7 on my Dual Boot Laptop, I employed a similar strategy ....

C:\ for Operating System type files
D:\ for MY Executable files (LibreOffice, SeaMonkey Suite, etc.)
E:\ for my Data file (Letters, SeaMonkey Profile files, Music, etc.)
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On 2025-06-10, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Orphans are one of those things which are for rare and usually testers
or creators. For users it is usually a bad thing to tell it to get rid
of orphans. It can remove absolutely crucial stuff.

For kernel remover, just tell it to remove that particular kernel you
want to remove. Do not tell it to remove all ophans.

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.

Often.

Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know

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On 2025-06-10, Jim <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 12:53:11 +1000, faeychild wrote:

I have allowed the current update which included a new kernel

Then I ran the remove old kernel tool and got the orphan message

Often wondered if orphan removal has ever blown up.
Stupidly I still don't have a backup... I know I know

Orphan removal can indeed remove things critically needed
by others things.

If you have the disk space, remove orphans only if you know
what is in them and that nothing is needed by other software.
MNSHO.

Of course it can sometime hide stuff you need so you do not realise that removing an orphan actually removes some absolutely crucial piece of
kit.I have no idea why urpmi has that orphan stuff or rather have it IF
the person specifically asks for it, not as a general practice.




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